Greetings and welcome to what will likely be the lowest rated post on this site! I would like to serenade you all with a tale of failure and ineptitude!
Last night, we were on our way up to say hello to Glitter Queen when Frost was talking over vent about how they were going to announce the most viewed columns on wow.com. I could hear the excitement and anticipation in his voice which amused me and filled me with pity at the same time. It was obvious that none of his readers cared about his bet with the druids given the latest updates that were posted and the deafening silence of apathy that was produced from said updates. Even so, he never lost faith that the hunters could pull it off (dwarves, I tell ya!).
Frost started listing off the winners and sure enough the druids won. This wasn’t unexpected to me really, after talking with Euripides on the HPP and hearing his traitorous plan to aid the druids. It’s pretty hard to win when your own kind is working against you.
So I thought to myself, “Well, even though 2nd place IS the first loser, it will still be impressive to get the silver even with the evil draenei’s coup.” So when Frost said 2nd place was Mages I was utterly shocked!
You see, “Scattered Shots” (that’s the Hunter article name – I tell you this because clearly none of you could find it to post a comment since using the links on the WHU was likely too difficult) is given to us twice every week. The mage column (which, incidentally is called “So Easy, Even a Hunter Can Read It”) is only produced ONCE a week. ONCE! So the mages had half the articles to use to obtain their hits and were able to BEAT the hunter community who were specifically called upon to rally the troops and support the fact that the hunters had the strongest community out there!
Perhaps not all of the people who should have re-rolled to Death Knight in the expansion got the memo.
I stepped up production just for you all to able to wear these with pride. You’ve earned it!
==<FAIL>==
- Hrist
I have to say that I was unaware of the full details of this bet thing. I did see it refered to but I did not look into it like perhaps I should have. I also dont visit the “Scattered shots” page so Im one of the people to blame apparently. I do want to say that I personally appreciate the info. I have got from THIS web site and I will try to be a better subscriber in the future. Sorry we let you down Frost.
This is stupid. Allthough there is a lot of hunters in-game does not mean that every single one of them are reading the blogs and posting comments all over the place.
I look at it this way:
-Hunters know how to play their class and dont need to read blogs about things they allready know. Druids and mages are stupid and need to read through the internet to understand how to play their class, posting stupid questions in comments and refresh constantly too check if someone got an answer for their stupid question.
Where is does the warrior articles rank Hrist? Atleast not in top3. I know you (warriors) was not in on the “bet”, but not being the most popular does not equal lazy, apathetic or unloyal.
Maybe Frosts plan didn’t work, if I remember correctly he hypothesized more comments would get more views. I gave it a shot, I never comment on the troll farm that can be wow.com. But if I was able, I would comment on every scattered shots post up there.
“I look at it this way:
-Hunters know how to play their class and dont need to read blogs about things they allready know.”
That to me sounds like fail right there. New things develop all the time, the game is constantly changing. Not taking the time to read blogs and get a differently perspective on things is what’s going to stop your own personal growth. I’m not saying that people who don’t read blogs and educate themselves whenever possible are bad, but the likelyhood that those people are worse than the people who do show dedication to learning more about their class.
I read every article that Frost wrote in Scattered Shots. I didn’t post random comments though. I check WHU regularly, couple of times a week. I don’t mention this to show my contribution to the bet, but more to let you know that I think WHU is a great blog! Main reason for my comment here is is that I hope that losing the bet doesn’t discourage you guys, I hope you will continue posting great stuff on WHU and in Scattered Shots!
lol Haterade.
I don’t think it’s a matter of disloyalty. People who read Frost are fanatically loyal; just look at how his last Hogger raid went and that’s an indication of how much effort whu readers are willing to put in.
I think it’s a matter of class and willingness to learn. Good hunters are good; bad hunters are very, very bad and we don’t have the ‘huntard until proven otherwise’ stigma for nothing.
Having played a druid and a mage, you pretty much can’t get to 80 these days without some kind of guidance if you’ve never played the class before. (Soloing Mages pretty much need to level as frost and soloing druids need to level as feral otherwise, it’ll take them forever, drinking and such otherwise.) Bad players in those classes just roll something easier.
I think what I’m trying to say is; people flock to forums out of necessity, not out of class loyalty.
I don’t think the point of the post was to insult your ability to play a hunter in-game, but he’s picking at the fact that the -mages-, updated only once per week, still beat us on activity on our own column.
“Druids and mages are stupid and need to read through the internet to understand how to play their class, posting stupid questions in comments and refresh constantly too check if someone got an answer for their stupid question.”
Hunters do this too. Even if -you- don’t, don’t make yourself believe that you are the absolute for all other hunters out there. Even so, the point of the bet was that we comment on things and look them over, not just to post obsessively because we might need the help, but to get a conversation started to throw some thoughts and ideas around with our fellow hunters.
Just a thought.
Wow. You sounded like a jumped-up, self-important, little git on the recent podcast, and now you post this, serving to further cement my view that you are a
As for all the begging for people to comment. Sad. Very sad. Frostheim pleading for comments was nonsense and probably lead to Hunters not commenting as a result. Now you’ve come steaming in with this post. I think you should have stopped and stepped back before you posted it. I feel embarrassed for you.
Go run through a Heroic without stopping or something.
/sigh
I just don’t care about bets and “the most comments” stuff. The only reason I ever look at Wow.com is to read Frost’s column. I link there from here and don’t go directly to wow.com. I have read the comments section there a few times but most of it is junk. If Frost stopped posting there I would see no need to look there at all.
Gonna have to go with Justice on this this one. Clearly you don’t have as many readers as the other columns/classes. So what do you do? You insult the ones you have. Brilliant.
It’s not our job to get you more readers or get you more comments. That’s your job. If anyone has failed it’s you. So, take all those badges you handed them out and pin them to your own chests.
I don’t know about other people but for me wow.com never loads for me at work or at home. However, I would be willing to say that 90% of the readers from this site went over to wow.com and posted. Does that mean that this site has more readers than wherever the druids and mages are coming from…probably not. Is there a larger hunter following yes but at the same time how many hunters probably have numerous other classes. Always something to think about. Those of us that love our hunter profile show the loyality but those who have 2, 3, 4, 5 or more 80′s or even characters that they play don’t associate themselves with 1 particular class. Thats the ====== portion. I wouldn’t Give that to the hunters that support Frost.
/sarcasm
Rather than make pitiful excuses about why we lost the BET…
Let’s celebrate the fact that we now know how to lure Hrist out of the shadows to share some special hate with us.
We just have to FAIL.
>:)
It’s amazing to see how ungrateful people are. Frost does SO god damn much for the hunter community, and he asked of his reader ONE THING. One simple thing that requires a few keyboard and mouse clicks. This isn’t just a WoW community issue. It’s a fundamental human flaw. Only few stand up to the plate when it’s time to give back something from which you take.
Sorry you didn’t win Frost. /pat
L-O-L
Perhaps some of you have missed the memo as to why Hrist has the “Hateoraide” title. His rage is what has inspired many a laugh in several stories Frost has shared with us and now that he posts something thats completely within his character to do so you rag on him for it? Thank you for the post Hrist, it was hate filled and entertaining.
Ok, on to my theory. First off, i am an altoholic, i have 5 80′s so i read damn near every column on WoW.com. Only on the Scattered Shots columns did i bother to check back read any comments(i.e go back to the article after reading once). Here is where i think the problem was, there was one Scattered Shots article that was controversial, which of course was the BM one. The other ones were, “what gear is good is ICC part XX”. While they were informative, well written, and witty articles they did not inspire much room for debate. Therefore, there was not much in the way to discuss or comment about, you simply read the article and went “yep, Forst pretty much summed it up”.
Secondly, on one of the druid columns i did read a couple comments right after reading the column and one of the first responses was “ill keep clicking back on here over and over all day so that we can win the views bet” Of course this wasnt encouraged by the druid author but im willing to bet those loyal readers did that instead of the posting that Forst requested of us.
Finally, the item i saw most in the comments when Frost first started writing for WoW.com was “yayyy our author doesnt fail anymore” that leads me to beleive that the Scattered Shots articles are fighting against a negative perception from the previous author which may be the reason some folks arent reading at all little lone commenting.
Keep it up Frost, while we didnt win last month but we will get there.
Damn mages.
They need what, like 2 buttons to dps? Why do they even read the column? To find out how to press those 2 buttons faster?
Bah…
Sad we didnt win though.
I, for one, am in posession of all the 3 qualities mentioned in the header!
Do I get 3 badges?!
Sorry you didn’t win frost. Read everyone of your articles, posted a comment and didn’t bother reading up on other classes.
Next time maybe just set-up auto refresh system. So we also can add cheater to the title list.
Mua… Ha… Ha…
I tease. Sorry you lost your bet, Frost :\
The problem lies in the metric by which Frost’s work is being judged by the WoW.com staff not the writer nor the readers you attack with this feeble taunt-bait posted, Hrist.
The parameters for success (apparently) are decided only by posted responses to his articles. The very act of judging in this manner will be heavily effected by 1) inaccurate information, 2) deliberately controversial topic matter, or 3) poorly written and/or poorly articulated ideas.
I know BRK was much exalted by the blog reading hunter community during his tenure at then Wow Insider. It will forever be a mystery to me why. I cant say how often he provided opinions that fell into items 1 or 2 but I can tell you that everything I never had the misfortune to read anything he offered that didnt fall firmly into category 3.
Frost is a breath of fresh air to the hunter blog community. The accuracy of his research and information is unparalleled. This fundamental fact makes even potentially controversial opinions (e.g. BM raiding DPS) less inciting because – if one bothers to RTFA – he firmly supports his theories with demonstrable facts. Lastly he writes in an unpretentious,accessible and well-articulated style devoid of obtuse gimmicks.
Does all of this add up to a loyal reader following? Absolutely. I am certainly one of them Does it provide an environment of vitriolic forum debating and post after post of pointless dreck by armchair webtard-wannabes trying to prove they know more than the so-called expert? Probably not.
Let the druids, mages, DKs, blah, blah, blah win the “who-can-get-more-posts” metric. its a stupid and flawed ranking from the outset. Perhaps those readers need to offset issues in the articles written by their class “experts” that we hunters fortunately don’t have to suffer. Don’t mistake our nods of agreement with lack of commitment to Frost and his ideas or – as you, Hrist, trying to twist it it to fit your agenda – brand it as apathy or lack of loyalty. To paraphrase Abraham “ZugZug” Lincoln, “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post mindless stupidity on Wow.com and remove all doubt.”
So now Hrist, GTF back up in front of the group where you belong with the BigUglies hitting you in the head where clearly they cant do any additional lasting damage. We loyal followers of Frost, WHU and now his Scattered Shots column resist your weaksauce taunt attempt.
Indignant Commenters, welcome to what must be your first visit to the WHU, and meet Hrist. Better known as the Haterade. He’s a warrior, so, you know: full of rage, takes frequent blows to the head, etc. I know Frost hasn’t run an Introductory Humor for Hunters column yet, but I think that’s because most of us are doing okay in that department. Put three more points in Improved Aspect of the Snark and you’ll be fine.
That said, my sincerest condolences to Frostheim re: losing out to a bunch of hippies and dress-wearers. I’m with Thenalia on at least points one and two: apart from the article that spawned all the Bestial Wrath, there’s just not a lot to say about Frost’s columns usually except, “Right on, thanks.” And, of course, hunters are sportsmen (and women), not comment-fluffing cheaters. Sorry you lost, but you can console yourself with the knowledge that, you know, at least you’re not a treehealing hippie and you don’t wear a dress. Too bad you’re still a dwarf, but nobody’s perfect.
I’m sorry you didn’t win the bet but tbh, I thought you were just taking it as a funny little teasing thing, I put it on the same level as trying to get as many facebook friends as possible or something. Why bother about page views? You have an awesome blog called WHU with a load of truly dedicated fans, do the mages or druids have that? The wow masses visit wow.com to get informed or to just enjoy a read about their class or wow in general, they are not loyal to a writer, when the next writer comes they just write zomg the last one was better and after that it’s forgotten.. So do you really need your fans to start F5′ing to show their appreciation for the articles? Cmon, we’re more mature than that aren’t we? Trust me on this, your articles are solid and pwn the other ones.
Fuck that. I’ve stuck with hunter through and through. My DK is only level 70. I don’t find the class particularly interesting. Too easy. I prefer my ret pally (also too easy) or fury warrior for melee dps.
I’ve suggested in THE COMMENTS of scattered shots to actually have hunter content that isn’t end game. How about doing a hunter 101 just like what has been done for seemingly every other class/spec combination in the game. Not everyone is an endgame raiding hunter….
How much of this is due to continuity? Whereas the mage and druid columns have been steady for months, Scattered Shots has been off and on. Rally the loyal troops only helps so much when the stragglers have given up and moved on to other sites.
Sorry to hear about the bet being lost. Glad to see Hatorade is still in good form. I never posted on the wow.com site, but I did spam my visits (even though Frost said not too). Is this something we plan on doing again?
I’m so sorry, I didn’t even know your blog was here…*hides*
Quit being a hater, Hrist.
Who wants a nasty hemp bracelet from some smelly druid anyway.
Communities are built up over time. Did the number of hunter posts/views go up in February vs January? What about in the prior months when someone else was doing the WoW hunter column?
The other thing I’d like to point out is the hunter community is very lucky to have about 4-5 good resources for WoW info (OutDPS, WHU, Hunter’s Mark, Hunting Lodge, BrewHall among others). Add to that the awesomeness of Femaledwarf.com and you have more hunter infomation outside of WoW.com than just about any other class. I know that is true for mage as I haven’t found a decent site to get mage info other than WoW.com. I’d bet many mages go there because they don’t have any other option while we are very lucky in the hunter community to have Frostheim and his brethren to get our WoW information.
Honestly, I think Hrist’s little poke at us was well deserved. We as hunters should have done more to help get him over the top. I personally did go to each Scattered Shots article, but didnt post a comment on all of them. I could have done more. What surprises me more about all this are the people who are complaining that Hrist is insulting you. Dont get mad about it, what does that do? Use it, learn from it, make a decision so next time there is something like this a tank doesnt have to come on here and tell us how bad we’re doing. Dont get mad and call him names, we dropped the ball, we own up to our fault, and make sure it never happens again. Come on people at what point do we just say “yup we f-ed up this one, but this wont happen again!”
Hunters learn from mistakes, adjust, and rise above. Huntards QQ. Which will you be?
Thank you for the entertaining and candid post. As a new player to the game, I try to read and learn all I can. I’m one that did not comment, but only because I didn’t have anything to contribute. IMHO, it’s useless to provide a ‘yay, I agree’ response.
I sincerely value the information shared by Frost here and on WoW.com. It has helped me significantly by understanding game and class mechanics.
Thumbs up, Frost. Please don’t be discouraged; many of us do enjoy and value your posts.
I agree with Skeets- there was no reason to comment.
I also refute the accusation that my lack of comment indicates a void in my or anyone’s humanity, what a simple-minded notion. I’m sorry but this is a blog about a certain type of character in a video game, you don’t get to use it to make massive humanitarian lamentations and disparagements.
Because it’s a video game and not my life I don’t care enough to check but.. wouldn’t it stand to reason that the druids- who have the most versatile class in the game- have the most comments? Or are the columns broken down by role?
Also- you yourself Frost with your affinity for all things mathematical should be able to instantly recognize that using such a puny data sampling, so little it could be considered anecdotal- is a mistake. It’s also a massive mistake as has been mentioned to use something as ludicrous as an amount of comments to gauge amount of readership (in such a short time span (what I was referring to earlier)). It would also behoove you in my opinion to keep in mind the amount of time passed since having taken over the column and the subject matter you presented being perhaps unlikely to garner comments. – also, I think the podcasts are too long
How do people read this site enough to comment on this post and not know who/what Hrist is? This baffles me.
Personally I always find myself resisting the urge to post on wow.com and get sucked into the void of trolls and idiots arguing about nothing or who can scream FIRST the fastest. If I want to partake in thought-provoking discussion about the Hunter class, I post on hunter blogs like WHU. I guess this doesn’t do much for helping win the bet.
Rad has good point
Consider that during the month of Feb. not only was Allison Roberts writing for the Resto and feral side of things, but Tyler Whatshisname(wow alias Murmur) began writing for boomkin. So the druids not only have two writers theoretically putting out twice the number of articles. They also got the traditional flood of comment “hey a new author! really good first article!” fluff that in no way contributes to the conversation.
I have a druid and a hunter so there is no bias on my side, i strongly believe that the Hunter community is stronger regardless of the views on WoW.com. Especially consisdering a druid has 4 different aspects of their game (Tanks, Healers, Boomkin DPS, Feral DPS) to attract viewers, hunters have one, DPS.
Like i said before, Scattered Shots will get there.
I always read but never post. There must be millions like me! I think we should clam the victory on that basis.
- And disregard all those who must read but not posted on Shifting Perspectives -
From now on I vow to be more active! Let’s put this behind us and take them down next time.
TINDERLOCK HAS FOUND HIS VOICE!
Hunters: Lazy, Apathetic or Unloyal?
I guess if you are going to only give me 3 reasons to choose from, I’ll go with Apathy. I can’t really get motivated or feel excited to go post about a bet I really care little about. All the bet proves is who posts on wow.com more and who really care about that?
I actually feel proud that most of my hunter brethren found better things to do, like figure out ways to place collars on their pets or gem strength.
I enjoy listening to the HPP and occasionally chime in on posts that reference actual game play but rarely will devote my time to something like this bet.
I’m a hunter man…I shoot things.
I cannot edit my post.
This is why I don’t talk much. */cry
You can all see what I did. Sorry
Tinderlock
Hahahahaha.
Wait. Damnit. I’ll go ahead and blame Euripedes. Somebody has to be the fall guy. Get the cement blocks ready and prepare the fishing boat for launch.
:-p
Aggro-maker in game, aggro-maker in life.
Hrist for president.
One thing to keep in mind in all this, wow.com has not had a steady hunter writer in a very long time and even before that it wasn’t a very good column. I would guess that in that time a lot of steady readers lost interest and left. The hunter community hasn’t felt this strong on wow.com for a long time. Frost has really breathed life back into Scattered Shots.
I also agree with Skeets post. First of all, Frost’s articles were so accurate and well written only the trolling ragers really had anything to post about (and even then they were swiftly put down). In most cases any others post would have been redundant. When someone is as effective and thorough as Frost there is little room for true debate. Also, the entire wow.com community was well aware of this bet, so don’t play it off like we hunters were the only ones called to rally.
I really hope this post was all in good fun. Otherwise, I’d be happy to see you not return to this site.
If only there were some kind of punctuation mark for sarcasm.
To those of you who got it, thanks! To those of you who didn’t and are trying to flame me (I don’t even have flame retardant clothing on and I’m still a little chilly – but keep trying!) I have a quote for you too!
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
See Frost, I told you it would work and there is the data to prove it.
Carry on!
*Hands Arth some blocks*
Sorry, frost. Wow.com is blocked by the corporate web filter. I read your blog at work. When I get home I play wow, I don’t go read about it.
I did pop over there a few times, but I hate to admit that I rarely even read the articles from you over there b/c of the web filter here. I am slightly irritated you dont post them here as well, but I suppose not to the point to inturupt wife time and wow time to go read them.
Hirst is Hirst, Well played, Druids and Mages kicked our collective butts, Sorry Frost.
Besides the BM raid one, i didn’t post, as others have said, “your Right” thank you and i move along. I tried to read the crap that was in the comments, beside a small group of people asking or talking about real issues or questions about the game, most of it was pure trash(the comments, not your great articles frost). Sorry not going to get in a troll bait war with people that dont’ know their class from the hole in their butts.
Frost have a cold frosty one on me, and then go punt some gnomes, you know it always makes you feel better.
to quote Hrist: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
WIN
Frost, As usual I’m a big of the work and information you provide to us hunters. My play style has grown by leaps and bounds thanks to your efforts. Letting your boy “The Haterade” post something just to get a rise out of folks is well….lame. Your stories of how well/horribly a raid went and what “The Haterade” had to say gave those posts some novelty. The problem with novelty is, that when it starts to get a starring role it goes from novelty to gimmick. The problem with gimmicks is that they get tired, really quick…..
Based on this entry it looks like you’d have won had you given Hrist a commission to troll your comments, Frost.
I wonder were the Warrior community stands in the rankings, LOL
I just take offense to the implication that as a Hunter I am *either* lazy, apathetic or unloyal, when in fact I take great pride in being all three.
Like I should have to choose…. sheesh.
I added my two cents to all your posts on wow.com just for the hunters to win unfortunately it seems not many others followed suit.
Maybe if the articles were interesting, competent, and well written more people would read them. *shrug*
“See Frost, I told you it would work and there is the data to prove it.”
A bet we are unaware of?!?! do tell Sir Hrist.
Oooh, and a troll! Wow, I totally should have had Hrist write one of the wow.com articles — that sure got conversation going! Too many comments to respond to, so I’ll try to hit a handful…
First of all, it was with great delight yesterday that Hrist told me he wrote a WHU post. I gave him posting privlidges over a year ago, and completely forgot that I had done so. I think he post was funny, and big fun.
A clarification on how the bet worked: it was based on the total number of hits the articles got, not the number of comments. I was encouraging people to post something in the comments to spark conversation as a way of boosting views, because I didn’t want us to sink to cheating by just sitting there and spamming refresh
I know how many people view each page here on the WHU. I also know how many people click on a link here to go over to a Scattered Shots article. Less than 1% of those people commented (meaning the total number of comments per article was less than 1% of the people who clicked over to the article from here). So those are the facts that Hrist was responding to.
Also, the druids have two authors, but their column is still only twice a week, the same as Scattered Shots. In fact, I do believe they had 7 columns in February to our 8.
Finally, Icevieled says: “I’ve suggested in THE COMMENTS of scattered shots to actually have hunter content that isn’t end game. How about doing a hunter 101 just like what has been done for seemingly every other class/spec combination in the game. Not everyone is an endgame raiding hunter….”
When possible I like to find stuff that’s applicable to *both* raiding and non-raiding hunters, but obviously a bunch of stuff is one or the other. Scattered Shots articles applicable to non-raiding hunters would include:
Beast Mastery 101 (<– the 101 article!)
Dreaming of Awesome Ammo
Hunter Trinkets (both raiding/non-raiding)
Extreme Soloing
Grandpappy Frostheim on Death Knights
Skill vs Gear (both)
The Misunderstood Hunter Abilities (both)
Hunting Heroics
Wow… for all of those that turned on your “Nerd Rage” aura, and went to town on Hrist.
One Word: RELAX
As I read his post I realized it was just a bit of sarcastic satire at our expense. He wasn’t bashing on you, or the fact that we as hunters really are lazy and really have no purpose being in a raid group. (See more sarcasm shh)
So smile, have fun and remember when it’s all said and done: WoW is just a game, and I promise that tomorrow morning everything will be just fine.
Really, I promise.
-Eshìn
Hrist, see you are an artist!
“Slow news day in Frost land, so I’ll just give you a bit more of the collected widom of Hrist:
I am fascinated by art like an alien is fascinated by an inferior race. – Hrist”
To everyone who is being negative – not sure why you’re here or what point you’re trying to prove.
To everyone else – I’m sure a lot of people like me read many if not all the columns Frost puts out, but just don’t comment often, it’s not my habit. In the future, others and I can make a greater effort to leave comments, even though it’s not something we normally do.
To Frost – Don’t let this silly bet thing get you down. You put out a lot of great information and it takes time to build a following whenever you start posting on a new site. Just wait a little longer and I’m sure you’ll see you’re numbers increase.
To people who think Hrist is some rage filled alter ego of Frost – …really?
To Hrist – please eviscerate those above.
I personally think that Lyraat hit the head on the nail, both the druid and mage authors have been around for quite compared to Frost. As someone who only found out about WHU after Frost started writing for wow.com (and boy I wish I had found it sooner for it has filled the void left empty by BRK leaving the game for me) I normally read most of the class stuff not only because some of it is relevant to my alts but also so I can understand the other classes not not be some ignorant idiot huntard giving the class a bad name. Plus I love Belt’s (the mage writer) warlock hate, which draws in not only the mage crowd but the locks if only so they know the trash being talked to them.
Hey Frost don’t worry at all, as you pointed not everyone ends up clicking and going to wow.com, and from those that actually clicked, just a few post something. That’s nothing to actually blame neither give excuses for why we didn’t posted there, but in the end, yes we lost.
Hrist post was funny to read, and even before getting to the middle of it I knew people would get all angry and stuff, that actually worked to bump some more posts in here, but flames always work like this, and that’s not what we’re looking for on Scattered Shots.
But as a whole, don’t let it down you and keep up with those good articles. Maybe people can’t see us there, but we keep on reading everything and laughing and making some considerations about something you posted every time.
I wont say for those damn pointed ears, but we dwarves are actually shy, despite doesn’t seem…. /flirt is there to prove it ^^
Cheers and keep up the good work, maybe next time we’ll hold the trophy.
Hrist needs to reroll female Night Elf Hunter named “Llewelyn” imo.
Beefeater I think you’re under the impression that Frost wrote this post. Because Hrist has nothing to do with the WoW.com posts or the bet..
You’re the sh it. It must be said. You’re columns are killer and your reasoning is near flawless. You provide support for your analyses. I know I am blowing a lot of sunshine up your arse right now, but sometimes folks need to be told when they’re doing well.
I click over to read your wow.com articles directly from WHU. Sorry, I just don’t find the other articles worth my time. As ZAT said above, we read this site at work, but when we get home it’s in-game time.
Keep up the good f-ing work.
Us hunters are loners. Self Dependent. Pets are tanks, we heal them and DPS. Kinda anti-social too, especially us irritable dwarves. Don’t feel bad, it’s just our nature.
This may have already been mentioned, i was too irritated to read through all the comments to find out, be I think some of you should read a little better before you start insulting frost for this article. Try reading who ACTUALLY wrote it, it was Hrist, the haterade, not Frost, so you idiots that tried to bitch at frost for “the fail medal” and the negative comments, it was Hrist being Hrist, and therefore not reflection of Frost or Frost’s own opinion.
@ Brewmore: We should read a little better? You should write a little better. Funny you mention we should “read better” in the same sentence and right after you write “I was too irritatated to read…” Almost all of the comments have been made with the understanding that Hrist wrote the article.
Sorry for being a dick, but generalizing from one or two misunderstood readers’ comments is foolish. Read better… lol
Yikes, people took this seriously?
although, Hrist, the best line in the play has to be this:
“It would cost you a groaning to take off mine edge”
or…
“Faith, her privates we.”
Link the druids the viewcount on this article Frost!
…hit the ‘post comment’ button too soon, anyways, it’s good to see all the hunters getting chills down their spine when reading lazy apathetic and unloyal in the same sentence as hunter. That shows that we’re proud of our class and long passed the huntardness. 66 comments and counting..
Posting comments on wow.com will not make us shoot harder, thoroughly reading them will. Since your articles are clearly written and, as I mentioned before, solid and unnecessary to comment on, each page view will count twice as hard.
Is it possible to rate this at negative stars? We’re not disloyal. Just lazy and apathetic, and we don’t need no transgender elf to tell us this.
P.S. Still looking for a cleric to remove that curse for ya, Hrist. I’m convinced that girdle of femininity/masculinity you put on must really be an artifact..
<3, Axe
Axebrew raises a fair point. “Disloyal” not “Unloyal”
Other then that I’m not sure what he is saying.
Frost,
Wow, for a moment Hrist made me feel really bad. I have read every Scattered Shot and most of WHU. Thank you Frost for blogging great content.
I find it absolutely amazing that so many hunters can flock to the WHU for advice & help, and not only do they fail at the one thing that they are asked of in return: But after countless redundantly flame-filled comments at amazing posts and a general community failure, we would, for lack of a better term, sit there and bitch at the WHU guys when they finally get fed up with us. Have some pride, dignity, and wear your Fail-badge with pride. The “Hateorade” is ride. We failed them, and we deserve that Virtual button.
Hrist’s post made me crack up. It’s awesome.
I probably could have commented more tbh. Mages and druids blow. If there’s any mages or druids gloating in game all we really need to do is post some damage meters.
Perhaps we should all chip in and buy you one of those bracelets to make up for it Frost
Gaeb
Could look at it this way…the Druids were busy whining, trolling and looking at web pages while the hunters were in game kickin’ explosive shots up the ass of the Lich King.
Sorry Frost doesn’t get his jewellery, but there is always next time I guess!
Duuuuuuuuude. Hatemuch?
<3 you both anyway!
I enjoyed Hrists hate-inspired post that playfully mocked the outcome of the bet.
I do think that part of the problem with generating lots of return commenting is that Frosts articles tend to be correct and without a lot of disagreement. If all they care about is getting pageviews, then an article that is asserting things incorrectly or has some controversy to it is the best thing to do… but I’d rather have correct information and less return viewing simply for people arguing in the comments.
I’m frustrated with the way a lot of people are reacting to this. Are people not aware of Hrist’s reputation? I thought his post was amusing and the little insults were mostly deserved on the part of the hunter community. Someone said that Frost trying to get more traffic on his site was sad and pathetic. What?! It was just a bet for fun. And he was trying to make OUR community look good.
Multiple others said they didn’t care about the bet so they couldn’t be bothered with it. I really don’t think it should matter if you care or not- Frost has given so much to the hunter community and all he asked for in return was a small favor: visit his column and leave a comment. I don’t think that was too much to ask. Step up and give a little back, people.
Thank you, Frost, for everything you do for our community. Sorry about the bet.
Honestly, I hoped we would win, being the proud hunter I am, but i also respected Frosts notion of not leaveing pointless comments. I read every article and left a comment when I saw someone who needed help clarifying information or if I found a certain point he made interesting.
To me, the hunter community is varied and gains information from multiple sources, I didnt even find this blog until I was well into 80, but it helped me exponentially. Frost may not realize this, but everyone who comes here also passes on that information to other hunters we know. I myself have taught the hunters in my guild, both those new to the class (some even changed because of how much fun they’ve seen me and others having) and old grizzled raid veterans. Everyone was astonished by the helpful information that i could provide, and in turn i directed them to the site.
So Frost if you remember one thing, and one thing only from what I have typed it should be this.
Even though we may not have won the bet, we still posses the largest and most close knit community, even if we are spread accross the world and websites.
We are Hunters, and we are proud.
Im sorry you lost the bet Frost I know i did my bit with normally up to 3 comments per article especially if people had the wrong idea, however I do think they had the upper hand as there would of been alot previous posts on both the druids and mages sites which still would of counted to the tally. So they could of had people looking at posts from months ago and not just recently which I think would also give then a unfair advantage as you have only started posting there recently. This still dosent excuse all the lazy ass hunters tho that read your site and could not be bothered to give something back , Frost spends alot of time testing, gold and theory crafting and then puts up all the results for everyone to see and not only that he teaches people how its all works too , I am dissapointed to with the result I thought the people here would of tried more to help you out !.
@Tinderlock: Hrist-in-game is a he. Hrist-in-game used to be a she. Of course, Hrist is an elf, so it’s sometimes difficult to tell from a distance.
Eurip….I think your friendship bracelet may have passed on
Oh! thanks Hrist you are so kind!
A proud owner of a new ==== belt; now I can get rid of my Marrowgar drop. Should I gem strength?
I’ve been a reader of WHU for a couple of weeks now but only finally got to register an account yesterday. I have totally devoured the site, read the awesome guides, trawled through the posts and generally absorbed a lot of very useful information. For that I thank you Frostheim. So in return, i will endeavor to repay my dues by making every effort to click links to aid victory of the next bet (as there HAS to be one right!?). It is, after all, the least I can do.
Now, in terms of this Hrist character that everyone seems to be letting rip on, personally I found his article amusing, only slightly galling (if read a certain way) but nonetheless well written. Actually made me feel a bit guilty if I’m honest. 9/10
I will say one thing and this will put a rest to the debate for everyone here. Yes we lost a bet on who has the most readers on wow.com. But.. that doesn’t change the fact that everyone here can agree on…
We hunters still top the damage meters.. in everything form heroics and raids.. so in your face Mages and Druids xD
This site’s really gone downhill as of late…
Whoa it looks like Hrist aggroed a fair lot of comments… He must be a great tank !
Sorry for you Frostheim that you lost your bet. :’(
The good new is that we remain the coolest class to play whatever the number of comments.
I agree with Snoggi.
the WHU is dying. Frost rarely writes on here anymore, and when he does, it tends to be shitty things like this, not worth reading.
What you, Frostheim, dont seem to realize, is that we are not your personal army. We arent here to refresh your article page and make airy comments on it. I remember when this site was great! every day, there would be something new, interesting, and fun thing to read! no more!
Butthurt crybaby articles like this are all that remain now.
I wash my hands of this site.
For shame, frost. For shame.
-Okashii
Oh, Hrist wrote this.
Whatever, my point stands. Frost let the WHU die.
Sorry you lost the bet frost, I must say it is quite surprising considering the whole BM shitstorm was within the contest time frame. My bet on why mages beat hunters in feb, are the changes in 3.3, in which are pretty significant from what I hear. We got nothing, so it was a slow news cycle. Better luck next time,
The numbers are correct. Of all the Hunters you see only 10% are real ones. All the rest are just Alt wannabes.
I think the biggest issue is the hunter community. Most play a hunter for solo/alt as its great for farming, so they dont care on maximizing or doing all they can. I often see good hunters, say doing 80-90% of max dps…. at the same time i see even more hunters doing i dunno, maybe 30% at most.
Im afraid thats just the nature of the class.
I think that if cataclysm goes live with the rated BG stuff, things will turn arround as we’ve always dominated that kind of gameplay. Then we’ll see a big increase in hunter mains that want to max out and things will get more seriously.
On what Snoggi and Oka are saying, I agree to some point.
First I want to say that it is very cool that Frost is writing for WoW.com.
But WHU feels a bit neglected. It seems that all of the hunter related post are only posted here as links to thier corresponding WoW.com articles. Maybe I am lazy or picky, but I come here to read Frost’s insight on hunters, not to see “hey look what I wrote up on another blog, click this link to read the full thing”.
Either way I will continue to read Frost’s blogs, they are always well written and very enjoyable to read.
And about the bet, Druids have to win at something, because they don’t beat us on the charts in game
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I’m sympathetic to those complaining about the site not providing the content they want. A year ago or so, there would typically be a new guide on the WHU about once every week or two, and the pace of that has decreased a lot. However, the reason for that decrease is simply that the WHU now had guides for just about everything (other than pvp) that you would need.
As always, if there is information that you think the WHU is lacking, please let me know. If I think it’s something that many hunters will want to know (or should know) I’ll post it. If not, I’ll at least answer your question.
With most guide-type content currently in existence, the only real news happens when something in the game changes for hunters. Outside of that, I try to find entertaining topics to hit.
I do not have a lot of sympathy for people who complain about a post living on wow.com rather than here. Either way you can check the WHU every day, mon-friday, and find a new hunter article written by me. For the most part, the wow.com ones cover stuff I didn’t cover on the WHU, like gear minutia and boss strats.
I went ahead and took a look at the last chunk of articles posted here on the WHU to see what people were talking about when you say there is nothing interesting or worthwhile on the WHU anymore, and I have to say, I think there was lots of good stuff. Not only that, but the same general kind of stuff that the WHU has always had. Here’s the last several articles:
– Heroic races with video of OK 8.5 min run
– Cataclysm stat changes news
– Hunting Party Podcast
– Math behind how the PTR BM changes affects their dps
– Cataclysm ammo ideas
– PTR breaking news on BM dps boost
– Guide on how to use spreadsheets for gear decisions
– Ranking all of the endgame hunter trinkets
How is that stuff tons different from the stuff the WHU used to have?
Yeah I have to agree, I love to see full on PVP guides for everything form enchants, gear, gems, specs, etc like there is for everything else. Also a pet guide I think might be something good. I also like to see some updates on the wolf and maybe some test on the next pet in line, being I have this gut feeling the wolf is going to get nerf in the next few patches. I really dislike the fact the wolf is the best pet across the board for all specs, each spec should have a class of pet that is the best pet for that spec but is equal to the same pet for another spec. In fact the Wolf needs to get nerfed IMO.
Not to start a war here or anything, Frost, but:
2 of those were on wow.com
2 were just blue-post rehashes (with some admittedly fine math thrown in)
leaving 4 ‘proper’ articles. and how far and few between were those?
im not going to go and date check, but i would hazard a guess at 3-4 days at least between them.
i dont know. it would seem the whu is dead to me.
a sad day =(.
I have no complaints about the amount, location or the quality of your posts Frostheim (my beef was about Hirst, not you). I also do not like to whine to people that they should do certain things (like demanding you to post? that’s so not my style) But since you asked for suggestions, I’d like to honour your request, as you;ve honoured so many of ours.
It might be nice if you reviewed your guides and update them not only for accuracy, but also for content. For example, you make some comments on your skills choices at the Beast Mastery raiding guide. You updated the profile screenshot, but not (unles I misread) the comments on the skills of choice. I found those comments particulary helpful when they were still fresh. So a more indepth discussion on why you choose particular skills, would be recieved well by one such as myself.
Another very insightful article, though it might be best left until after Cataclysm, would be a relative dps comparsion of skills. For example, how to compare the dps Improved Arcane Shot would add to 3 points of Improved Tracking?
But again, I have no reason to complain. You’re doing well overall.
I think that Hrist’s post was right on target for Hrist. If we would apply the Frostheim goggles to Hrist, he just broke it down to the fact that Frost did lose his bet:(
(sorry bout that Frost:( I did post, and i did refresh often)
but i think that railing against Hrist is a MOOT point. He succinctly explained why he thought that Frost lost and really does not care about your anger towards him. Everyone chill and relax:D Hrist has a low level for incompetence and that is how we like it:D well.. sometimes .. he can be infuriating when raiding.. but without exception… he is a great raid leader and as a friend, he will go to the wall for you. So stop with the bashing and just enjoy his “hate”.
If his skills as raid leader make up so much for his lack of communication and social skills, then he must be one of the best in all of WoW.
Indeed he and Frost are two of the best raid leaders i have known. They took a team of alts and novices and turned them into a progression team that can down Marrowgar when he still was bugged and hit us in for the same amount of damage as he would in a 25 man encounter.
So yes, he is one of the best.
WHU is Dead?
We have been posting on this article for four days. The community here seems as active as ever.
One post every 3-4 days that is always useful, always informative and always a good read. Most Blogs/Articles on WoW.com are once a week; 3-4 days looks good to me.
Maybe this is a slow news week? Then 3.3.3 hits followed by 3.3.5 followed by 4.0 – When the class is having so many changes there will be things to talk about for months!
What Frost has put together here is fantastic.
@Frost: Keep up the good work – for every poster that does not like it there are 100 who love you. Even the ones who clam they don’t like it are still here, still posting – Interesting.
Tinderlock
i’m actually a horde, i read often but never comment, they are out there but maybe a lot more on horde’s side eheh keep up the excelent work ur solos made all my solos possible tyvm ..and who the hell needs rep, the flexibility of role of our class triggers the envy ahah