Comments on: Minor Updates http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/ A gathering place for WoW hunters who have paid their dues Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:04:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kisohttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10697 Kiso Sat, 06 Feb 2010 05:26:29 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10697 errm Frost, small mistake there: "Arcane is your 2nd hardest hitting shot, and when it crits it procs piercing shots" You mean aimed shot. Seems the mistake melenaus made was contageous. errm Frost, small mistake there: “Arcane is your 2nd hardest hitting shot, and when it crits it procs piercing shots” You mean aimed shot. Seems the mistake melenaus made was contageous.

]]> By: Melenaushttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10687 Melenaus Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:55:57 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10687 /facepalm This is why I read your blog and don't try to cobble together my own disgrace of a spec. Thanks! /facepalm
This is why I read your blog and don’t try to cobble together my own disgrace of a spec. Thanks!

]]> By: Frostheimhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10667 Frostheim Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:23:26 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10667 Ah, I see the confusion. Imp Barrage affect *aimed shot* -- not arcane. Aimed is your 2nd hardest hitting shot, and when it crits it procs piercing shots. Increasing the crit a ton doesn't just increase the damage of the shot but also boosts the damage of your piercing shots by proccing them more often. Ah, I see the confusion. Imp Barrage affect *aimed shot* — not arcane. Aimed is your 2nd hardest hitting shot, and when it crits it procs piercing shots. Increasing the crit a ton doesn’t just increase the damage of the shot but also boosts the damage of your piercing shots by proccing them more often.

]]> By: Melenaushttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10664 Melenaus Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:35:30 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10664 Hmm. I see what you're saying with the Hunter's Mark vs. Imp Barrage, but I still get this nagging feeling that an extra 195 ap for every shot for the entire fight is going to do more for a hunter than 12% extra *crit* on arcane shot. I mean personally, it seems to me that a shot which only outdamages steady shot by a couple hundred or so isn't worth the extra crits. Again, I love ya for your bullheaded testing on your theorycrafting, so when there's a definitive, statistically significant dps increase i'll go and respec. until then, my fellow SV hunters do quite like my mark :) Hmm. I see what you’re saying with the Hunter’s Mark vs. Imp Barrage, but I still get this nagging feeling that an extra 195 ap for every shot for the entire fight is going to do more for a hunter than 12% extra *crit* on arcane shot. I mean personally, it seems to me that a shot which only outdamages steady shot by a couple hundred or so isn’t worth the extra crits. Again, I love ya for your bullheaded testing on your theorycrafting, so when there’s a definitive, statistically significant dps increase i’ll go and respec. until then, my fellow SV hunters do quite like my mark :)

]]> By: Frostheimhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10634 Frostheim Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:54:56 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10634 Yes, if you aren't using an ArP build, you should absolutely be using arcane shot. You need something in the vicinity of 450 ArP passive before you drop arcane -- at which point you'll want to move from the standard MM build to the ArP MM build. Yes, if you aren’t using an ArP build, you should absolutely be using arcane shot. You need something in the vicinity of 450 ArP passive before you drop arcane — at which point you’ll want to move from the standard MM build to the ArP MM build.

]]> By: Maglihttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10619 Magli Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:10:56 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10619 So you're recommending MM hunters use Arcane Shot even with ilevel 232-ish gear? Because I dropped Arcane from my stationary rotation about half way through 10-man Ulduar, or 212 - 219 ilevel. That's when the combined damage of Steady + the extra bleeds matched what Arcane wad putting out. I switched over to something similar to your Armor Pen build even though I was (and still am) nowhere near the ArPen cap. If nothing else it simplifies the rotation, which makes getting all the shots out in the right order a lot easier. So you’re recommending MM hunters use Arcane Shot even with ilevel 232-ish gear? Because I dropped Arcane from my stationary rotation about half way through 10-man Ulduar, or 212 – 219 ilevel. That’s when the combined damage of Steady + the extra bleeds matched what Arcane wad putting out. I switched over to something similar to your Armor Pen build even though I was (and still am) nowhere near the ArPen cap.

If nothing else it simplifies the rotation, which makes getting all the shots out in the right order a lot easier.

]]> By: Ironthumbshttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10613 Ironthumbs Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:24:22 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10613 Un-commonly good looking. Nuff said Un-commonly good looking.
Nuff said

]]> By: Arthemystiahttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10600 Arthemystia Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:50:24 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10600 I'm always comforted by Kriparrian's simple advice that how you play the fights has MUCH more to do with dps than the last few talent points in a spec. I use the WHU as a template for almost everything hunter-related, but my spec usually deviates 1-2 points from Frost's. And it's just a matter of personal preference or awareness of my raid circumstances (how many ranged dps will benefit from Imp. Mark? Do I have mana issues? etc.), not because I think I have some insight that he doesn't. I’m always comforted by Kriparrian’s simple advice that how you play the fights has MUCH more to do with dps than the last few talent points in a spec. I use the WHU as a template for almost everything hunter-related, but my spec usually deviates 1-2 points from Frost’s. And it’s just a matter of personal preference or awareness of my raid circumstances (how many ranged dps will benefit from Imp. Mark? Do I have mana issues? etc.), not because I think I have some insight that he doesn’t.

]]> By: Frostheimhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10598 Frostheim Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:28:27 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10598 Hunting party is definitely a viable dump talent now with the higher levels of agility, though I still find that imp hawk works out a bit better, particularly if you glyph it, and I do in the guide recommend Imp stings while you have the t9 set bonus. Hunting party is definitely a viable dump talent now with the higher levels of agility, though I still find that imp hawk works out a bit better, particularly if you glyph it, and I do in the guide recommend Imp stings while you have the t9 set bonus.

]]> By: Eidotropehttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/minor-updates/#comment-10597 Eidotrope Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:24:45 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3867#comment-10597 Thanks for updating the guides. They were a huge help to me when I was making the transition from leveling to taking dps seriously. I'm glad the guides will continue to be of use to people learning the ropes. I have to say, though, I still don't understand why you recommend IAotH for SV. Hunting Party and now Improved Stings with tier 9 seem to always come out higher on the speadsheet as dump talents. Thanks for updating the guides. They were a huge help to me when I was making the transition from leveling to taking dps seriously. I’m glad the guides will continue to be of use to people learning the ropes.

I have to say, though, I still don’t understand why you recommend IAotH for SV. Hunting Party and now Improved Stings with tier 9 seem to always come out higher on the speadsheet as dump talents.

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