In this week’s podcast special we talk to Kruf, the hunter from Paragon, the guild from the lightning’s blade- EU realm who got the world first lich king kill. We ask Kruf a bit about the encounter, his thoughts on the state of the hunter class, and about what it’s like in a world first guild.
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First time listening to the show, love the mid-to-late-nineties house theme tune and the fact that I am adamant that Frostheim is, in fact, comedy legend Greg Proops.
Cool podcast. I agree with Kruf about cooldowns – I seem to profit from using the pop-them-early and pop-them-often approach, especially since the raid leader I have likes to talk for a while before each boss giving my CDs a chance to all refresh.
I wanted to mention a couple things about the Survival vs Marksmanship conversation you had:
-1. In the end it is more important to take out the boss than have hunter at the top of the meters. Would it be best to have one MM and one SV hunter in the raid, even if the SV’s DPS drops? If not, what if we didn’t have any other consistent raiders providing a replenishment?
-2. I think that above all else, player skill and interest is the most important part of the top DPS when two trees are so nearly balanced as MM and SV are, and it just might be more about play style than anything else when it comes to what DPS you put out most. When it comes to MM and SV and which is better, how much is about gear and how much is about the player (assuming the player is good).
I thought that the comments about ArPen was rather odd. I am nowhere near 900 ArPen, rather I am sitting at only 470, and I definitely do more damage as Marks than Surv, and the spreadsheet confirms this by a very wide margin.
Maybe I have been subliminally selecting gear towards a more Marks favorable setup, but I pickedup instance DPS when I respecced over.
Or maybe Furry above is right, and that they are so very close that it really comes down to what the player is capable of doing, and once you are at that huge level of ArPen it is more like icing on the cake pushing marks above?
that was an great interview, I really enjoy the podcast. Keep up the great work
I think that he was saying you need 900 passive ArP to start gemming Pen over Agility. I was a little confused on that too though. Is it time for yet another Arp/Agility conversation?
I have a question… one thing he mentioned as being the biggest tip he could give was to always be casting, and then someone had the example of a hunter doing less dps because he was casting once every three seconds… I am always casting, and as marks with the aimed shot glyph I have a nice little Ch/Ai/Ar ditty as for the cooldowns finishing just when the next shot is ready, and with steady shot after them… of course this will get off a bit here and there, but what do people do, in general, when there is say there is like 1 sec left on the cool downs of those three shots in rotation to begin again… enough that you can do another steady shot, but then that eats into time that could be another round of Ch/Ai/Ar, or just wait that second, not casting, and begin with Ch when it is ready?
Very interesting interview and I greatly enjoyed it. I’ve always wondered how the “hard-cores” raid it and I must say that’s a lot of commitment.
Okay for folks asking questions about the 900 passive ArP that Kruf mentioned, he clarified what he meant in some comments he posted at outdps.com. I’ve cut and pasted his comments below:
As said, that was just a rough guess, and it was supposed to be a guess where arp gemming is better than agi gemming, not really where MM is better than SV which is much more complex, depending heavily on your weapon dps for example. And yes, that 900 was including full arp gemming.
@Furrymammoth: If your guild does not have replenishment from other guys who are always there it would probably make sense to use one SV hunter. We run with a shadowpriest and retripaladin so all our main hunters are MM.
@Valacia: SV should be quite close to MM, in fact it stays almost competitive even up to icc25 gear with the right item choices. MM dps is slightly more random depending on procs and luck with crits, while SV provides a rather steady baseline.
@cygnet commitee: Always keep casting is the general rule. You can delay a *little* for Chimera, but not much more than say 0.1-0.2sec, delaying any more will be an overall dps loss.
@Cromus: The arp/agi decision is more complicated than “how much arp do I need to start gemming it” – the 900arp rule-of-thumb was just that, a very crude rule of thumb. And it was supposed to be the final arp with all arp gems. Use spreadsheets and/or simulationcraft to check the actual results (and take those with a grain of salt also – the tools we have are just approximations, not the absolute truth).
Yeah loved the podcast always good to hear from a hardcore raider, for anyone whos still interested in armour pen Frost put out a post a few weeks ago about it the main thing is even if you do get the armour pen rating remember your movement must be spot on or you will lose major dps were as agility stacking makes life a bit easier till you get your movement down. I was really surprised to hear he 1 shotted the lich king especially in 25 man mode, I realised they ran alts to get combat data and to understand the fight but you have to remember that at the time there was no real how do guide and the fact that if 1 person puts a foot wrong its a wipe made it extremely impressive.
“my alt was a paladin so i was healing”
haha owned. <3