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> <channel><title>Comments on: BM Changes Math</title> <atom:link href="http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/</link> <description>A gathering place for WoW hunters who have paid their dues</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:04:28 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Uljoquin</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-12224</link> <dc:creator>Uljoquin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:06:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-12224</guid> <description>One thing that confuses me (and I have no ability to test, since my account is currently down so I have time to play through other games xP) is a little quote from Ghostcrawler (&lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767539635&amp;sid=1&amp;pageNo=10#181&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;, emphasis added):
&lt;blockquote&gt;In 3.3.3, Ferocious Inspiration rank 3 says:
All party and raid members have all damage increased by 3% within 100 yards &lt;b&gt;of your pet&lt;/b&gt;. In addition, increases the damage dealt by Arcane Shot and Steady Shot by 9%.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
While I know that in the official patchnotes, there&#039;s no &quot;of your pet&quot; clause, but I&#039;m fairly confident that it also never actually existed in any of the PTR builds. What this makes me wonder is: Is the aura somehow tied to our pet, such that it centers on their location and fades when they die... or is it centered on the Hunter like Trueshot Aura (and if so, is it tied to the pet&#039;s being alive)?
Mind you, this question is more professional curiosity than anything, since in my experience it&#039;s damn near impossible for a raid encounter to kill the pet of a BM hunter that knows what they&#039;re doing... but it could be a more significant PvP bonus than PvE if it&#039;s centered on the Hunter, as I&#039;ve noticed a lot of enemies are fond of focus-killing the pet, causing FI to fall off. A passive 3% increase in damage is going to be a strong PvP buff compared to a procced buff, since (again, in my experience anyway) that is more often than not NOT up in all PvP situations besides Arena.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that confuses me (and I have no ability to test, since my account is currently down so I have time to play through other games xP) is a little quote from Ghostcrawler (<a
href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23767539635&amp;sid=1&amp;pageNo=10#181" rel="nofollow">source</a>, emphasis added):</p><blockquote><p>In 3.3.3, Ferocious Inspiration rank 3 says:</p><p>All party and raid members have all damage increased by 3% within 100 yards <b>of your pet</b>. In addition, increases the damage dealt by Arcane Shot and Steady Shot by 9%.</p></blockquote><p>While I know that in the official patchnotes, there&#8217;s no &#8220;of your pet&#8221; clause, but I&#8217;m fairly confident that it also never actually existed in any of the PTR builds. What this makes me wonder is: Is the aura somehow tied to our pet, such that it centers on their location and fades when they die&#8230; or is it centered on the Hunter like Trueshot Aura (and if so, is it tied to the pet&#8217;s being alive)?</p><p>Mind you, this question is more professional curiosity than anything, since in my experience it&#8217;s damn near impossible for a raid encounter to kill the pet of a BM hunter that knows what they&#8217;re doing&#8230; but it could be a more significant PvP bonus than PvE if it&#8217;s centered on the Hunter, as I&#8217;ve noticed a lot of enemies are fond of focus-killing the pet, causing FI to fall off. A passive 3% increase in damage is going to be a strong PvP buff compared to a procced buff, since (again, in my experience anyway) that is more often than not NOT up in all PvP situations besides Arena.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Frostheim</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-12188</link> <dc:creator>Frostheim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:53:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-12188</guid> <description>Not really -- SV or MM can start dpsing the slimes immediately -- but it takes several seconds for their pet to get there. So that travel time is what makes target switching such a loss for bm.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really &#8212; SV or MM can start dpsing the slimes immediately &#8212; but it takes several seconds for their pet to get there. So that travel time is what makes target switching such a loss for bm.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Larnen</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-12182</link> <dc:creator>Larnen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:44:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-12182</guid> <description>&quot;On top of all this a BM hunter can’t complete on quick change of targets, prof-putricide + lady death whisper, your pet can of course stay on the boss to limit dps loss, but that doesn’t really help the raid when a slime can easily cause a wipe.&quot;
Different perspective on this. As the goo never targets pets on Putricide, you can put your pet on it the second it spawns and gain about 5s of dps while it chooses its target. I do this as a matter of course as MM, but as BM the bonus could be more significant. Given that until phase 3 lack of dps on slimes (or poor raid positioning) are about the only things that can wipe you, Ive often wondered how BM would fare on that.
Ofc phase 3 is a different story and then every point of damage counts so I&#039;ll be staying MM :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On top of all this a BM hunter can’t complete on quick change of targets, prof-putricide + lady death whisper, your pet can of course stay on the boss to limit dps loss, but that doesn’t really help the raid when a slime can easily cause a wipe.&#8221;</p><p>Different perspective on this. As the goo never targets pets on Putricide, you can put your pet on it the second it spawns and gain about 5s of dps while it chooses its target. I do this as a matter of course as MM, but as BM the bonus could be more significant. Given that until phase 3 lack of dps on slimes (or poor raid positioning) are about the only things that can wipe you, Ive often wondered how BM would fare on that.</p><p>Ofc phase 3 is a different story and then every point of damage counts so I&#8217;ll be staying MM <img
src='http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BM Sucks</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-12180</link> <dc:creator>BM Sucks</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:31:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-12180</guid> <description>Youre full of shit.  No BM Hunter is going to do 8K+dps in any raid.
LIES</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youre full of shit.  No BM Hunter is going to do 8K+dps in any raid.</p><p>LIES</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Talimin</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-11464</link> <dc:creator>Talimin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:15:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-11464</guid> <description>Well I got the Thumbs Down on the BM stab for Festergut =/
It is good to see Ghostcrawler will not be letting AS get nerfed for this patch but as Frostheim mentioned it is still a very small % damage increase.
After talking with an old guildy of mine who is in a top-end Raiding guild on Runetotem (US) it seems going for the Hardcap for ArP really is Not that great of a benefit in ICC.
Most fights require at least SOME movement, and losing out on your autoshots as ArP heavy MM hurts your DPS a lot.
I haven&#039;t personally looked into the math myself but I am inclined to agree to an extent. I ran a few upgrades through the Spreadsheet and then converted to all ArP gems and the increases I saw were minimal.
I think my solution to movement fights is simply not being an ArP savant instead of looking to another spec for a crutch.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I got the Thumbs Down on the BM stab for Festergut =/</p><p>It is good to see Ghostcrawler will not be letting AS get nerfed for this patch but as Frostheim mentioned it is still a very small % damage increase.</p><p>After talking with an old guildy of mine who is in a top-end Raiding guild on Runetotem (US) it seems going for the Hardcap for ArP really is Not that great of a benefit in ICC.</p><p>Most fights require at least SOME movement, and losing out on your autoshots as ArP heavy MM hurts your DPS a lot.</p><p>I haven&#8217;t personally looked into the math myself but I am inclined to agree to an extent. I ran a few upgrades through the Spreadsheet and then converted to all ArP gems and the increases I saw were minimal.</p><p>I think my solution to movement fights is simply not being an ArP savant instead of looking to another spec for a crutch.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Myrdreon</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-11437</link> <dc:creator>Myrdreon</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:43:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-11437</guid> <description>Just in case anybody is still following this, its changed again.
FI now boosts both attacks by 9% (both steady and arcane that is).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case anybody is still following this, its changed again.</p><p>FI now boosts both attacks by 9% (both steady and arcane that is).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Frostheim</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-11383</link> <dc:creator>Frostheim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:24:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-11383</guid> <description>Yeah, still just a 1.5% boost, so still very very minor.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, still just a 1.5% boost, so still very very minor.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nella</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-11382</link> <dc:creator>Nella</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-11382</guid> <description>This makes the buff ~1.58% across the board regardless of whether you have AS in a BM rotation or not with no detriment to PvP... buff to PvP in fact as FI is an aura not reliant on pet crit to trigger, so it;s therefore available on initial burst damage too.
In fact it&#039;s probably closer to 2% as numbers this math is based on do include AS, if that is dropped or reduced then a larger percentage of the overall damage will come from Steady meaning the overall increase is more.
Seems a lot more attractive now, but still not MM or SV.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes the buff ~1.58% across the board regardless of whether you have AS in a BM rotation or not with no detriment to PvP&#8230; buff to PvP in fact as FI is an aura not reliant on pet crit to trigger, so it;s therefore available on initial burst damage too.</p><p>In fact it&#8217;s probably closer to 2% as numbers this math is based on do include AS, if that is dropped or reduced then a larger percentage of the overall damage will come from Steady meaning the overall increase is more.</p><p>Seems a lot more attractive now, but still not MM or SV.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zyrinx</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-11380</link> <dc:creator>Zyrinx</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:25:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-11380</guid> <description>&quot;FI buffs Steady Shot in addition to Arcane Shot. &quot;
- Ghostcrawler</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;FI buffs Steady Shot in addition to Arcane Shot. &#8221;</p><p>- Ghostcrawler</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gith</title><link>http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2010/02/bm-changes-math/#comment-11379</link> <dc:creator>Gith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:53:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=4016#comment-11379</guid> <description>Umm..... since no one&#039;s pointed this out yet...
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425375172&amp;pageNo=1&amp;sid=1#14
Thought you should know. :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm&#8230;.. since no one&#8217;s pointed this out yet&#8230;</p><p><a
href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425375172&#038;pageNo=1&#038;sid=1#14" rel="nofollow">http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23425375172&#038;pageNo=1&#038;sid=1#14</a></p><p>Thought you should know. <img
src='http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
