Comments on: Stacking Cooldowns with Procs http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/ A gathering place for WoW hunters who have paid their dues Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:24:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Karissanahttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-19033 Karissana Tue, 05 Oct 2010 19:00:40 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-19033 You're right, the Needle dosen't proc as often as you might like. It certainly dosen't for me. But my question to you is how much ArP do you have just from your gear? If it's less than 550 or so you should go back to gemming Agility. Better still, run your hunter through Femaledwarf.com. Frost has a link and guide to how to effectively input your data and understanding the spreadsheets and numbers that the site will give you. Increasing your dps may be as simple as swapping out a few gems and tweaking your rotation and build a bit. As to an answer to your question, since I too have found that the Scorpion trink has such an unpredictable proc rate, it's probably best to blow all your CD's at the start of the fight - your second Rapid Fire included. The Scorpion will most likely proc during that initial flurry of shooting and so you will get that extra dps boost that we hunters love so very much. It's one of those trinks that just seems fickle. It either procs or it dosen't and you never know when it's going to, even with an ICD addon. It's a great trink, but hardly my favourite and I love it most for it's crit. I'm just waiting for the day I get DBW. You’re right, the Needle dosen’t proc as often as you might like. It certainly dosen’t for me. But my question to you is how much ArP do you have just from your gear? If it’s less than 550 or so you should go back to gemming Agility. Better still, run your hunter through Femaledwarf.com. Frost has a link and guide to how to effectively input your data and understanding the spreadsheets and numbers that the site will give you. Increasing your dps may be as simple as swapping out a few gems and tweaking your rotation and build a bit.
As to an answer to your question, since I too have found that the Scorpion trink has such an unpredictable proc rate, it’s probably best to blow all your CD’s at the start of the fight – your second Rapid Fire included. The Scorpion will most likely proc during that initial flurry of shooting and so you will get that extra dps boost that we hunters love so very much. It’s one of those trinks that just seems fickle. It either procs or it dosen’t and you never know when it’s going to, even with an ICD addon. It’s a great trink, but hardly my favourite and I love it most for it’s crit. I’m just waiting for the day I get DBW.

]]> By: Karissanahttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-19031 Karissana Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:40:31 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-19031 Both of those are great trinks for MM hunters. I'd be interested to know what else you have in your inventory and also what your gear is like. Both of those are great trinks for MM hunters. I’d be interested to know what else you have in your inventory and also what your gear is like.

]]> By: Karissanahttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-19030 Karissana Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:30:09 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-19030 If you watched his videos, there is barely a time when he is not shooting. As he said in the podcast, he has his castbars close to his toon and he can see when autoshot is going to go off. Plus with all the PvP he has done, he has his movement nailed down. If for any reason he has to keep moving when that shot is ready to go, he throws in an Arcane Shot or any instant shot that is not on CD to keep up his dps. As many of you know, for MM hunters, Arcane Shot has become little more than a filler shot when Aimed Shot and Chimera Shot are on CD and you have to move. But due to the fact that it's magic damage instead of physical damage like so many of our shots are (and it has ticks!), it's very effective in most of the ICC encounters and also Halion in Ruby Sanctum. If you watched his videos, there is barely a time when he is not shooting. As he said in the podcast, he has his castbars close to his toon and he can see when autoshot is going to go off. Plus with all the PvP he has done, he has his movement nailed down. If for any reason he has to keep moving when that shot is ready to go, he throws in an Arcane Shot or any instant shot that is not on CD to keep up his dps. As many of you know, for MM hunters, Arcane Shot has become little more than a filler shot when Aimed Shot and Chimera Shot are on CD and you have to move. But due to the fact that it’s magic damage instead of physical damage like so many of our shots are (and it has ticks!), it’s very effective in most of the ICC encounters and also Halion in Ruby Sanctum.

]]> By: Karissanahttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-19029 Karissana Tue, 05 Oct 2010 18:00:53 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-19029 Actually, even though Death's Verdict is a very good trinket, the last Monumental thing that will come out of ToC 25 is Vereesa'a Dexterity for Alliance and Sylvaana's Cunning for Horde. Both are the BEST cloaks for hunters that can currently be found in the game and both drop only in ToGC 25. The only trinkets you will ever need on your hunter is Deathbringers Will from ICC 25 and Sharpened Twilight Scale From RS 25. Provided of course you are a MM hunter, but I wouldn't want to be anything else in a raid. Actually, even though Death’s Verdict is a very good trinket, the last Monumental thing that will come out of ToC 25 is Vereesa’a Dexterity for Alliance and Sylvaana’s Cunning for Horde. Both are the BEST cloaks for hunters that can currently be found in the game and both drop only in ToGC 25. The only trinkets you will ever need on your hunter is Deathbringers Will from ICC 25 and Sharpened Twilight Scale From RS 25. Provided of course you are a MM hunter, but I wouldn’t want to be anything else in a raid.

]]> By: Diosahttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-17422 Diosa Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:28:07 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-17422 After reading this, I adjusted how I stack my cooldowns. I went from 8k in icc25 to 10k+ Thank you! After reading this, I adjusted how I stack my cooldowns. I went from 8k in icc25 to 10k+
Thank you!

]]> By: Haerohttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-15458 Haero Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:57:58 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-15458 I prefer Class Timer over NeedToKnow I prefer Class Timer over NeedToKnow

]]> By: Vladivekhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-14869 Vladivek Sun, 30 May 2010 09:04:05 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-14869 I track my serpent sting with 'NeedToKnow' too, so you only have to refresh when the bar runs out. Saves quite a few GCDs. I track my serpent sting with ‘NeedToKnow’ too, so you only have to refresh when the bar runs out. Saves quite a few GCDs.

]]> By: Aznomhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-14868 Aznom Sat, 29 May 2010 20:50:58 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-14868 Quick question ab refreshing serpent sting when the t10 set bonus "Exploit Weakness" procs. When Exploit Weakness procs do i have to manually refresh Serpent Sting by using the Serpent Sting ability? OR will using Chimera do the job, hense saving me a global cooldown? Quick question ab refreshing serpent sting when the t10 set bonus “Exploit Weakness” procs. When Exploit Weakness procs do i have to manually refresh Serpent Sting by using the Serpent Sting ability? OR will using Chimera do the job, hense saving me a global cooldown?

]]> By: Vladivekhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-14809 Vladivek Thu, 27 May 2010 04:19:17 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-14809 Oh, and thank you so much - great site with top content. Your work is much appreciated! Oh, and thank you so much – great site with top content. Your work is much appreciated!

]]> By: Vladivekhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/11/stacking-cooldowns-with-procs/#comment-14808 Vladivek Thu, 27 May 2010 04:14:17 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=3117#comment-14808 I've been using NeedToKnow since I first read this column a month or so ago about stacking with procs and absolutely love it. Have to admit it was a lucky fluke finding it whilst browsing Curse on a quiet day at work rather than conciously looking for it. My dps has put 1-2k on in most 10-man fights, and I can now get near the grown up hunters in my guild despite being significantly less geared. I don't actually macro anything - I like the challenge of hitting all I need to hit (it is a game after all) which probably reduces my potential dps, but stack FH, CoW, RF and mark of supremacy at the start of a fight. Quite often you'll have bloodlust/heroism helping here too. DMC-G procs almost immediately, which sets me up for FH and DMC-G every minute, MoS every 2 mins and CoW/RF again in the longer fights. They do match up very well - but v annoying when you end up vomiting over Fester all the way through your max dps patch! 1 more frostie and I'll get my tier 10 2-set bonus - can't wait! I’ve been using NeedToKnow since I first read this column a month or so ago about stacking with procs and absolutely love it. Have to admit it was a lucky fluke finding it whilst browsing Curse on a quiet day at work rather than conciously looking for it.
My dps has put 1-2k on in most 10-man fights, and I can now get near the grown up hunters in my guild despite being significantly less geared.
I don’t actually macro anything – I like the challenge of hitting all I need to hit (it is a game after all) which probably reduces my potential dps, but stack FH, CoW, RF and mark of supremacy at the start of a fight. Quite often you’ll have bloodlust/heroism helping here too. DMC-G procs almost immediately, which sets me up for FH and DMC-G every minute, MoS every 2 mins and CoW/RF again in the longer fights.
They do match up very well – but v annoying when you end up vomiting over Fester all the way through your max dps patch!

1 more frostie and I’ll get my tier 10 2-set bonus – can’t wait!

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