I’m very happy to report that Myrliandre has returned to WoW, if not to guild mastering. It turns out it was all a big ploy — he was actually lurking in the dark back alleys of sunny Australia, biding his time, selling his years of BM devotion on the black market in a MM respec sneak attack.
This is evidenced by this screenshot from 25 Beasts:
How painful is that? Especially since I now finally outgear him.
Myr has long been a proponent of the idea of pushing your threat to the absolute limit, riding that thin red line between threat and aggro. He likes to hang out at right around 129% of the tank’s threat, never FDing unless he absolutely has to. I imagine this causes tanks a lot of stress — heck, it stresses me out watching him do that crazy shit on Omen.
I’m not kidding when I say he spent just about all of Yeti phase between 125% – 129% threat.
There’s no question but that it’s an effective strategy. The idea is not to waste a single global cooldown if you don’t absolutely have to. To do this you have to be incredibly familiar with your class, know your playstyle, really know your threat, and be batshit crazy.
Maybe I’m just old, but I prefer a less risky method of raiding. I like to have Frostheim life insurance. In a good raid if your MT dies, there’s a very good chance that the raid can recover. The OT taunts, the MT gets a battle rez, etc. However, a dpser #2 on the threat list is unlikely to survive the recovery – he’ll get one-shot before he even realizes the tank is dead. Thus I prefer to leave at least one or two dpsers between me and the tank as some nice gooey mage padding.
Oh, and I should point out that after our Beasts takedown, I had to step up my game and get some revenge on Jaraxxus!
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nice gooey mage padding? You know, one of these days you are actually going to hurt my feelings with comments like this.
A tactic I’ve found handy is to feign death after firing an instant. FD is off the GCD, so as long as you see your threat drop before the 1.5 seconds are up, you haven’t wasted anything, and are not risking a wipe when a recovery would have otherwise been possible.
Of course, with my lag, I’ve seen it take 2 seconds of playing dead for the threat to actually drop, and if I do anything before that happens, I’ve wasted my feign.
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So I logged on to my dwarf hunter, who was spec’ed BM. I re-spec’ed to MM and had a ball. Well before the re-spec I ran to the target dummy as BM, fired and bestial wrathed until OOM, viper until ~90% mana then back down to Oom. Changed spec to MM and did almost double the dps. Keep in mind that I have never done MM before, I tried SV for a while, but not my fav. My dps would have been higher too, I kept on firing Serpent Sting cause I forgot that Chimera refreshed it. Also I wasn’t sure when to use rapid fire and readiness.
It was a LOT of fun though. Can’t wait to try MM for raiding.
This blog entry reminds myself of the song by Paul Engemann – Scarface
Welcome to the limit
(The limit)
Take it maybe one step more
The power game’s still playing so
you better win it
Push it to the limit
(The limit)
With no one left to stand in your way
you might get careless, but you’ll never be safe
while you still feel it
Welcome to the limit
(The limit)
Standing on the razor’s edge
don’t look down just keep your head
and you’ll be finished
Welcome to the limit
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
Push it to the limit
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
Push it to the limit
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
(The limit)
-Matt “code”
lol! (the limit)
But yeah, riding that fine line is quite nerve racking! What i do know is the healing order.. MT, OT, Healers and if i can spare the time… a dps’er or two… but know this.. if you pull agrro from my MT or OT .. you are on your own! Muwahahahahahahaaaa hahahaa ha h
129% threat? Frost, I think you just discovered the source of Hrist’s endless supply of hate.
Yeah, whew, I’m just not that brave, I guess…when OMEN starts banging in my ear I just *have* to back it off. I just *HAVE* to!
The Haterade
I have no issue with DPSers who ride the line. Not only do they get more DPS out of their characters but they push me to improve. My thought process is, if a DPSer can pull aggro from me in a 1 on 1 situation, I am not good enough at my job. Myr shows me I have areas I need to improve in.
Also, they help me find new vigilance targets!
Contributor
So a WHU-reader joined our guild a couple weeks ago and promptly whupped my ass on 4/5 ToC10 bosses his first night. So I can understand the embarrassment. I’ve since gotten lucky with gear and retaken him for most fights, but now we also see 3 hunters atop the charts in our guild’s 25M runs. The rogues seem the most upset by this, but that makes it more fun.
Also, I feign at 90%. I haven’t the stomach for Myr’s kind of devilry.
myr’s back!!! yayyyy
I loove the times when your putting in your all and you are hardly making any grounds into the tanks threat. You take a closer look at Omen, becasue usually by now Omen is giving you fairly noticable signs you are cutting it fine, and see that even the better geared mage is generating similar amounts of threat???? Thats when you realise Oh Crap….forgot to switch to hawk and you are still in viper.
See Omen; more than just a threat meter…its as usefull as powerauras!
During static moments in teh fights, I usually just do a MD whenever it is ready. Replace a steady with a MD or do it while walking/moving. That mini-bit of lower dps isn’t going to affect the raid-result anyway.
In fact, it usually even helps the raid, as it makes it easier for the tanks to keep agro. Tanks often thank me for it. Not all tanks are top-of-the-line, they can have a bad day, etc etc.
FD is for me only an “oops, I pulled the boss off the tank’” reverser.
Dues Payer
the fact you can pull those kind of numbers on those bosses proves that either you are A) a better player than me, B) you employ a genius strat that i dont know or C) both.
half the time im in the jaraxxus fight, im running around the outside rim trying to get to the add, careful not to run through the middle in case i get flame or chain lightning. gah!
anyway, i plan my feigns since boss fights are terribly predictable anymore. i play cautious if its a tank im not familiar with. on tanks i know, i am more loose with it, but i dont have the special relationship you seem to have.
Dues Payer
I love pushing the enevlope and jumping that line to in heroics but in raids I pay alot more attention this reminds me on the weekend our guild mage said he finally beat me on the recount meter and he was so happy until i told him i had to back of for 5 secs twice coz I was beating the tanks threat bigtime and even used MDs and a feign death lol.Sure enough that was the only time he beat me all day he is getting closer but its hard work to catch us MM hunters infact the feral cat druids so far are the only ones who even come close and normally its when your trash pulling.
hi frost, another aussie hunter here (dwarf too btw). i hav pretty much identical gear setup with u atm, we r 1 point off each other on wow-heroes. and i been rolling survival and clocked myself at 6177 on beasts and 6839 on jaraxxus this week. i’ve tried marks and it just doesnt seem to get up there, im kinda bummed cos every knowledgable hunter these days reckon marks is superior but i just can’t get it to work.