Another “advantage” of sorts is that when I get invited to a pug and there are toons there that I know are “asshats”……I can just leave. There are no “loyalty” issues to deal with. I don’t pug unless I get to roll on all hunter loot though.

And we all know that “everything is hunter loot”

Anyway. Because of this, I’ve seen a few different loot systems, but I’ve never really gotten totally comfortable with any. But my story for today lies around EPGP.

Theres a guild on Llane (I’ll leave them nameless for now) that mainly runs 25 man ToC. They pugged me and my healer buddy in for a raid one time, and we ended up being their top DPS as well as top Healer. Because of this, I’ve been pulled into their raid every week for a month now. They run an EPGP system, which I have absolutely no understanding of. To make it fair to pugs, however, they put in a rule that if a pug wants something, they pm the LM and say they want to roll on . Then if a guildee wants that same item, the LM rolls a 1-5. If it hits a 1 or 2, the pug gets it, or if theres more than one pug, the pugs roll against each other. 3-5 means the pug loses and the guildies use their strange epgp thing. That all goes on behind the scenes, and all I know is everyone goes silent until it randomly gets handed to someone and people “gratz.”

I find this system very fair to us puggers. In a 25 man raid, with about 4 hunters, rogues, etc, I get a 2/5 chance on winning whatever item I want. I can only win 1 thing per raid, but I’m happy with that. Moreover, I have successfully won something every single week I’ve raided with them. The first week, I won a trophy. That got a lot of groans from the whole raid. The next week, they put in a rule that pugs couldn’t roll on trophies, which I was fine with, since I already got mine I affectionately call that the Kraigus rule.

Since then, I’ve won the 25 man Bracers of Silent Massacre, some boots, and some legs. Everytime a hunterish item drops, everyone simply says, “Just hand em to Kraigus and get it over with”. When I won the bracers, they hadn’t put in the Kraigus rule yet. I wanted em. The LM rolled a 1. I got em. Then the Trophy roll came up, and the Raid Leader told me to roll in vent. I was surprised, but rolled anyway. Right as I hit enter, he said “Oh crap, you just wont he bracers, nevermind.” My roll was a 95 and would have won the trophy again. I just laughed as I got flamed for being the “Luckiest SOB….”

That system should be banned.

Clear cut cases of blue vs purples yes but in the end that system will come down to abuse of who the LM likes more.

But meh, my old guild (Wee I finally quit WoW. I have my first break in 4 years) used to use the DKP system but that eventually lead to hoarding of DKP which was fail and by the time Black Temple was whinding down for us there was a set order of people who got gear first. If they bid, everyone else was told to move to the next and it was always the same people every week because they were the people who could afford to raid 3 times a week.

In Wrath we switched to EPGP which is just a DKP system with points that decay over time so you can’t hoard but it still came down to the fact that some people could raid every night and others couldn’t and so yes they decayed over time but so did the people who couldn’t make it so it was still the same people as TBC getting loot priority first.

The entire loot system is unbalanced no matter what system you use. Some people will end up with more gear than others.

My alt (a Discipline Priest <3) was in a social guild. The system they used was Roll: Main – Offspec/Alt. One piece of loot a night unless everyone else passes.

Personally, even with the EPGP system we used in Angelic Knights I usually passed on 10 man loot regardless if someone else wanted, because I knew sooner or later I'd get 25 man loot for it. Unless it was a silly thing like the epic trinkets from Algalon 10 or Trial 25. Something that couldn't be beaten.