Well, there was lots of lag, but Icecrown never crashed last night, so I was able to spend an enjoyable evening with patch 3.2.
We started off picking up some new engineering schematics and building our Wormhole Generator. Then I wandered over to the Ironforge target dummy to do some testing of the new pet expertise scaling mechanic.
Pet Expertise/Hit Cap Testing
Blizzard’s explanation of the pet expertise/hit cap mechanic left some questions about how it would work. You see, a typical raid boss has a 6.5% chance to dodge attacks, and a 14% chance to parry attacks. Blizz told us that being at the hit cap would make our pet also at the expertise cap. So the question is does that mean -6.5% chance to be dodged and parried, or -6.5% chance to be dodged, and -14% chance to be parried? As a data point, player tanks generally do not become unparryable.
However, after 2,000 pet attacks on the heroic target dummy while hit capped, it appears that our pets do. No misses, no dodges, no parrys. For the raiding hunter, this means about a 6.5% increase in pet dps (pets attack from behind, and cannot be parried from behind). However for extreme soloing and pet tanking, we’re talking about more than a 20% increase in pet dps! Very nice!
Raid Time!
By then it was raid start time. Given the lag and history server instability on patch day, we decided that we’d go back to Naxx to farm us up a whole mess of Emblems of Conquest. Right off the bat Hrist was in good form motivating the team to bring their a-game.
We had one crazy lag spike mid-boss fight, but otherwise the raid went pretty smoothly. We got a nice 3 hour clear of Naxx and a stack of emblems to show for it. In addition we picked up some achievements for people who missed them the first time around, including The Hundred Club and Just Can’t Get Enough.
As a special treat we took the chance to pick up one of the few achievements we were missing with And They Would All Go Down Together – got it on our first attempt, which is particularly nice since Deadly Boss Mods was broken and had no updated version. We had to do it with everyone calling our percentages throughout the fight.
Updates in Progress
I am in process of updating the guides for any patch 3.2 changes. In fact, the vast majority of them have not changed and have been updated to reflect that. As always, if you’re looking at a guide, the “Reviewed and Accurate” logo has the date and last major patch of the last time it was reviewed.
As additional clarification I’ve added red text at the top line of any guides that I expect to get updated, noting what will be changing. Right now I think the only guide changes happening as a result of the patch is explaining Expertise in the Hit Rating guide, noting the change to Animal Handler in the BM guide (still a good talent to keep with 10% pet AP) and double checking the Stat Conversion Guide. The patch did not change any recommended specs.
Survival Talent Refund
I’ve received several reports that Survival hunters had one talent point refunded to them. Has anyone identified where that talent point came from?
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4H was awesome. upto and including when the baron was down to like 10%, Hrist calls the trade, I bring him to the middle, switch to the other one, accidently hit tab again just as I hit Taunt, and then start pulling back, only to find that I still had the baron.
Lukily, it all worked out in the end. Quite fun. Yay us!
And wrt the lag spike on KT… wow. It was about a minute… we were all chatting still, talking about how we were all dead, and how good we were doing, and sad that we didn’t have a good finish, then suddenly, things start up again, right where it left off… whew… awesome!
All my pet talents were refunded, otherwise my surv spec remained untouched.
I can tell you where the point came from =P I guess Blizzard have removed one talent point from each build from all classes. I know that my hunter and my DK only need 50 points to get the last talent in each tree
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From what I heard, they screwed up and SV hunters now have 72 talent points
yeah, the lag spike was the best of the night:D i could not believe it!! but we rocked the house and played like the rock stars we are:D rawr!!
The Haterade
Heh…rock stars everywhere are cringing at their comparison to our raiding ability.
A note on the subject of pet expertise- FA is about half as effective at giving expertise to our pets as hit rating from gear, and the draenei hit aura does count at all.
with 3.2 resilence was changed and now reduct all dmg taken and our pet gets resilence from us, is the pvp gear good for solo/tank now?
Admin
It’s unlikely – Blizz has specifically said (and in the patch notes) that it only reduces damage from other players. They don’t want resilience to be a tanking stat.
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Confirmation that SV hunters now have 72 talent points. Just added mine up. Weird.
My survival spec actually added a talent point, so I put it in and when I switched to my MM and then back to SV, the extra point taken away from my Explosive shot so I had to respec in order to get my explosive shot back. My MM spec had no additional point.
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Believe me, cupidi, I’d be turning circles if resilience actually transferred for PvE. Combined with the damage boost, pet tanking could potentially be as good as some regular tanks. But alas….
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damn, I was rootin’ for resilience pet tanking. I guess that’d bring a return to the hunter instance farmer
I doubt it would have been a big deal in reality, but oh well.
Yeah all my pet talents were reset i noticed when my DPS was down and i did gain a extra talent point which i didnt use , so i took out a GM ticket and told them however 4 hours later i still had not heard back from them. I just wanted to make sure they did not bust me for cheating or something like that even though it was not my fault, i would hate to have my account frozen or lose the emblems i earned last night. Congrats on the Achievements too guys and gals we started looking at the 4 horseman one, thought it would be good for a mass AOE party that way you could just round them up if the dps was high enough to kill them before the stacks got to high making it a easy achievement but to do them seperately takes good timing and understanding by all . Also for the 1st time last night i saw a guildy have a black bombay cat i think chased by a skunk it was so funny reminds me of Pep pe le pew cartoon with the skunks broken heart come up everytime the skunk caught the cat it’s worth a look if you have the pets.
I also had an extra point as an SV hunter. I put it into a talent dump to make use of it til Blizzard fixes it.
Also, I’ve noticed Lock and Load proc’ing more frequently off of Black Arrow. Maybe I’m just a statistical anomaly, though.
black arrow is proc’ing lock n load more for me too. they prolly upped the proc because its on a cd now. so now our dps will b a lil more steady then it used to b.. but in my opinion if your on a boss that has adds or something that can b frozen just throw a freezing arrow out there and get an instant proc.
I also had the extra talent point as SV and have noticed a significant increase in Lock N Load Proc rate. LOVE the new separate cool-downs for diff trap types. Does that ever come in handy!
Well i have plenty of bugs, like Explosive shot is now rank 4 not rank 6, i had to train black arrow again lol and some missing icons on action bars. So check your dps, and look so you dont have wrong ranks skills out in the action bars.
Forget about exposive shot, that was wrong, but the other was right.
well, it looks like Blizz realized that we had 72 points so today in the morning (european time) I was suddenly untalented
Also noticed more frequent LnL proc. Or at least it seems to proc more often…
So we ran like every heroic we could get our hands on last night. Has anyone else noticed an INCREASE in drops? We had 3 (blue) Tower Cloaks drop in H UK, and seemed like a green dropped off every othere mob. Was it just a lucky run or what?
I noticed the more frequent LnL procs as well. I did a few target dummy runs on patch night cuz it was just too laggy to do anything else. I got at least two LnL procs per run (can’t remember how long my mana lasts per run). Last night in VoA25, OS25, and OS10 it was LnL galore. I am loving it.
Also I didn’t get any extra talent points, but all of my pet talents were reset.
Wierd. I had the one floating talent point appear, but my pets remained untouched. I chucked the point in to “Point of No Escape” since I have resolved to use Frost Trap more.
How does the new loot affect the gear scaling issue, if I might ask? If someone is reaching the iLevel 219 range on most of their gear, is it time to think about switching to Marks? Do we now not need to think about that til the 236 + range now? Is the switch still showing better numbers or do we even know yet?
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As of this morning, my wonderful accidental extra talent point is gone, disappeared like a ret paladin’s dps. Also, all of my talent points were refunded.
Yep. Prepare for “free” (other than mental anguish) talent refund.
Dues Payer
i cant explain how much sentiment the BRK gun has to me. i dont care if it had 12 dps, i want it badly. the fact its a truly epic gun, stats and all, is icing on the cake. id give thanks every time i fired lol. as a student, it would be such an honor and source of pride to use the gun tributed to one of the greatest hunters.
I’ve noticed Kill Shot no longer has a minimum range. I wonder if this is a bug, or if they finally gave what they promised in 3.1
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i’m MM specced and i got a talent refund as well.
Just as well though since i needed it badly, heh.
Yea, I think blizz found that out by the time the Europe servers got their patch, cause we had to distrubute our talents all over again