Comments on: The Space Between Hardcore and Casual http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/ A gathering place for WoW hunters who have paid their dues Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:46:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Yanawqahttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-11874 Yanawqa Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:02 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-11874 This is something I have always disagreed with: Definitions of causal/hardcore based on time played. It has nothing to do with that!, not even with raids! It should not have. Yes, it is related, but it is the effect, not the cause of being a casual/hardcore player. For instance, for me (in my very personal opinion), Frost is hardcore. Nothing wrong with it, we need hardcores, I need them (advice), I think it is good to have them around. That's why I come here almost every day in the last couple of months. Why is he hardcore? well, I agree with Birdfall (http://birdfall.blogspot.com/2009/03/generalize-me-or-casualhardcore-feud.html) definitions on this one: * Casual: A casual player is someone who is satisfied by relaxing in the game their own way and on their own time. * Moderate: A moderate player is someone who wants to taste different aspects of the game in more depth but does not need to be the very best. * Hardcore: A hardcore player wants to excel at whichever aspect of the game he or she is most passionate about. She is a self-confessed hardcore pet-collector. I know plenty hardcore achievers. Time-wise, they spent much more time than many top raiders, they just not interested in raiding. Altoholics? those can be hardcore too. Nobody wants to be hardcore, not even in the "good" things. Hardcore have negative connotations. Why? dunno. It was not easy for me to accept I was hardcore (not playing wow though). I am a wow casual by choice. Yes, I have family, but that is not the reason I'm casual, I was a casual gamer before I had children, even before my wife. Why? well, I have other hobbies which are higher on my list than wow. I spent 2-3+ hours per day on training related activities (jogging, PT, gym or football -- soccer that is -- and surfing the net on active training/jogging blogs). I did not considered myself a hardcore trainer until colleagues and ppl around me started to listen to me and ask for advice regarding training (even PTs in the gym). It made me realised that even though I did not "compete", I did indeed took training seriously enough (for me a hardcore trainer was overtraining or a training addict). But I had to admit, training was more than wanting to be in shape. I wanted to have the best possible training routine to fit my lifestyle. Coupled with the best nutrition (no "additives") and rest time, and of course one that allowed me to spent time with my wife (now + kids) and play online every now and then (only play MMOs). I could not stop myself from preaching everytime the subject came to light in conversations. You do not get to decide whether you are hardcore or not. Your actions do, your mindset, your peers. Nothing wrong with being a hardcore. I have got plenty of thanks out of it, and my entire family looks great on the beach :-) This is something I have always disagreed with: Definitions of causal/hardcore based on time played. It has nothing to do with that!, not even with raids! It should not have. Yes, it is related, but it is the effect, not the cause of being a casual/hardcore player.
For instance, for me (in my very personal opinion), Frost is hardcore. Nothing wrong with it, we need hardcores, I need them (advice), I think it is good to have them around. That’s why I come here almost every day in the last couple of months. Why is he hardcore? well, I agree with Birdfall (http://birdfall.blogspot.com/2009/03/generalize-me-or-casualhardcore-feud.html) definitions on this one:
* Casual: A casual player is someone who is satisfied by relaxing in the game their own way and on their own time.
* Moderate: A moderate player is someone who wants to taste different aspects of the game in more depth but does not need to be the very best.
* Hardcore: A hardcore player wants to excel at whichever aspect of the game he or she is most passionate about.
She is a self-confessed hardcore pet-collector. I know plenty hardcore achievers. Time-wise, they spent much more time than many top raiders, they just not interested in raiding. Altoholics? those can be hardcore too.
Nobody wants to be hardcore, not even in the “good” things. Hardcore have negative connotations. Why? dunno. It was not easy for me to accept I was hardcore (not playing wow though). I am a wow casual by choice. Yes, I have family, but that is not the reason I’m casual, I was a casual gamer before I had children, even before my wife. Why? well, I have other hobbies which are higher on my list than wow. I spent 2-3+ hours per day on training related activities (jogging, PT, gym or football — soccer that is — and surfing the net on active training/jogging blogs). I did not considered myself a hardcore trainer until colleagues and ppl around me started to listen to me and ask for advice regarding training (even PTs in the gym). It made me realised that even though I did not “compete”, I did indeed took training seriously enough (for me a hardcore trainer was overtraining or a training addict). But I had to admit, training was more than wanting to be in shape. I wanted to have the best possible training routine to fit my lifestyle. Coupled with the best nutrition (no “additives”) and rest time, and of course one that allowed me to spent time with my wife (now + kids) and play online every now and then (only play MMOs). I could not stop myself from preaching everytime the subject came to light in conversations. You do not get to decide whether you are hardcore or not. Your actions do, your mindset, your peers. Nothing wrong with being a hardcore. I have got plenty of thanks out of it, and my entire family looks great on the beach :-)

]]> By: Reivaxhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-11870 Reivax Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:06:32 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-11870 I was casual for the first 2-3 years of playing, but since Wrath, I have really enjoyed doing dungeons. I have 6 children, and a wife, some day I'll find a group to try my hand at a raid. Honestly, I just feel bad not being able to commit regularly, so I don't want to join some group of people and have to let them down because, well if Open house is on Thursday, I have to go do that, family has priority for me. 4 of my 6 children and my wife all play regularly. My six year old daughter has more duel wins than me, I am not joking. don't ask me how. We enjoy WoW a lot and never really pay attention to or care about people who have anything negative to say about it. It's been a great part of our lives, and will continue to be. I was casual for the first 2-3 years of playing, but since Wrath, I have really enjoyed doing dungeons. I have 6 children, and a wife, some day I’ll find a group to try my hand at a raid. Honestly, I just feel bad not being able to commit regularly, so I don’t want to join some group of people and have to let them down because, well if Open house is on Thursday, I have to go do that, family has priority for me.
4 of my 6 children and my wife all play regularly. My six year old daughter has more duel wins than me, I am not joking. don’t ask me how. We enjoy WoW a lot and never really pay attention to or care about people who have anything negative to say about it. It’s been a great part of our lives, and will continue to be.

]]> By: Winnsonhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-11859 Winnson Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:41:41 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-11859 hulksnipe, thanks a lot for that. Those look great! hulksnipe, thanks a lot for that. Those look great!

]]> By: hulksnipehttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-11858 hulksnipe Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:37:10 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-11858 Winneson look at bosskillers.com and tankspot.com for raid strats. tankspot has some really good videos with breakdowns of the fight, the guild i was in before my old computer died and i got removed from inactivity (bastards) used to require every member to watch the videos and i felt like it made a big difference when facing new bosses Winneson look at bosskillers.com and tankspot.com for raid strats. tankspot has some really good videos with breakdowns of the fight, the guild i was in before my old computer died and i got removed from inactivity (bastards) used to require every member to watch the videos and i felt like it made a big difference when facing new bosses

]]> By: Winnsonhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-11849 Winnson Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:27:12 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-11849 Wow, awesome. I'm a fairly noob hunter that is raid leader of a guild just beginning to raid. I started playing WoW between the time of the last two posts and play about 15-25 hours per week. Rolled a pally first and thought wow sucked. My kid tried rolling a mage and I loved shooting out spells, so tried to lvl her up a bit. Then Eidelweiss the hunter was rolled and I discovered how truly awesome hunters are. Never looked back. The only reason I'm raid leader is because of my devastating dps numbers compared to guildies. The only reason I have devastating dps numbers compared to guildies is here. This place is like a short cut to hunter excellence. Now, I just need a shortcut to raid excellence kind of place too. Any suggestions? Wow, awesome.

I’m a fairly noob hunter that is raid leader of a guild just beginning to raid. I started playing WoW between the time of the last two posts and play about 15-25 hours per week.

Rolled a pally first and thought wow sucked. My kid tried rolling a mage and I loved shooting out spells, so tried to lvl her up a bit. Then Eidelweiss the hunter was rolled and I discovered how truly awesome hunters are. Never looked back.

The only reason I’m raid leader is because of my devastating dps numbers compared to guildies. The only reason I have devastating dps numbers compared to guildies is here. This place is like a short cut to hunter excellence.

Now, I just need a shortcut to raid excellence kind of place too. Any suggestions?

]]> By: Huntdhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-10601 Huntd Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:02:13 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-10601 Jehos, does your guild still raid like that? What guild, and what server/faction, i'll transfer. Jehos, does your guild still raid like that? What guild, and what server/faction, i’ll transfer.

]]> By: moonstrikenhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-5521 moonstriken Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:31:15 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-5521 Very good analysis. I just wish my former guild could have grasped these truths. Unfortunately, one persons campaign to make it "more hardcore" led others to toss friendships out the window and alienate others. All over these misconceived definitions. A real shame that this simple, common sense truth couldn't have been realized before the damage was done. Very good analysis. I just wish my former guild could have grasped these truths.
Unfortunately, one persons campaign to make it “more hardcore” led others to toss friendships out the window and alienate others. All over these misconceived definitions.
A real shame that this simple, common sense truth couldn’t have been realized before the damage was done.

]]> By: Neppyhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-5490 Neppy Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:58:41 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-5490 I like your descriptions and it's also good to remember that the vast majority of WoW players fall in somewhere between the two extremes of hardcore and casual. The word "casual" connotes that the player has no skill or knowledge of the game, which is simply not true for most. A lot of raiders may only raid 1-2 days a week and not have strict requirements. This'll mean very slow and lots of wiping for most guilds in this category, but they're casual and they can live without killing the hardest hard modes. The nice thing about WOW is how there's no right or wrong way to play it. Hardcore raiders aren't hurting the laid back casuals who may only hop on now and again to do a heroic. Roleplayers aren't hurting the PvPers or the arena junkies. Solo questers just go about their own business, enjoy themselves and the hardcore raiders take no notice of it. There are countless playstyles and it's nice that there are so many ways to enjoy the game. I think that's why I like WoW so much. I like your descriptions and it’s also good to remember that the vast majority of WoW players fall in somewhere between the two extremes of hardcore and casual. The word “casual” connotes that the player has no skill or knowledge of the game, which is simply not true for most. A lot of raiders may only raid 1-2 days a week and not have strict requirements. This’ll mean very slow and lots of wiping for most guilds in this category, but they’re casual and they can live without killing the hardest hard modes.

The nice thing about WOW is how there’s no right or wrong way to play it. Hardcore raiders aren’t hurting the laid back casuals who may only hop on now and again to do a heroic. Roleplayers aren’t hurting the PvPers or the arena junkies. Solo questers just go about their own business, enjoy themselves and the hardcore raiders take no notice of it. There are countless playstyles and it’s nice that there are so many ways to enjoy the game. I think that’s why I like WoW so much.

]]> By: Frostheimhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-5140 Frostheim Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:02:09 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-5140 I think you can and should show your dad this post! In fact, you should encourage him to email me and I'll be happy to discuss WoW with him! I think you can and should show your dad this post! In fact, you should encourage him to email me and I’ll be happy to discuss WoW with him!

]]> By: Bluebirdhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/the-space-between-hardcore-and-casual/#comment-5139 Bluebird Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:00:45 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2323#comment-5139 If only I could show my dad this post, as he is constantly saying things like WoW is bad for me and I should pursue "inteligent" things like chess... People should leave us gamers to game to their heart's content. Oh and I love this site. :] If only I could show my dad this post, as he is constantly saying things like WoW is bad for me and I should pursue “inteligent” things like chess… People should leave us gamers to game to their heart’s content.
Oh and I love this site. :]

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