Comments on: Hunter Armor Pen vs Agility http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/ A gathering place for WoW hunters who have paid their dues Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:24:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: LivingDeadLaurahttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-19017 LivingDeadLaura Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:19:30 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-19017 Some kind advice please! My hunter has always been on the back burner when it comes to my other toons and now I want to get her updated and somewhat decent. I'm in BM currently but do have a MM spec..My gear is low so i'm wondering if i should stick with agi and wait for better gear? Maybe add a little AP for my pet's sake? Her dps is running pretty low. I hear all kinds of different things from different people, so i have no idea what to do with her, although i'm pretty sure i shouldn't be stacking ArP right now. ANY advice is appreciated! http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Scilla&cn=Nightrae Some kind advice please!
My hunter has always been on the back burner when it comes to my other toons and now I want to get her updated and somewhat decent. I’m in BM currently but do have a MM spec..My gear is low so i’m wondering if i should stick with agi and wait for better gear? Maybe add a little AP for my pet’s sake? Her dps is running pretty low. I hear all kinds of different things from different people, so i have no idea what to do with her, although i’m pretty sure i shouldn’t be stacking ArP right now. ANY advice is appreciated!
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Scilla&cn=Nightrae

]]> By: Zeelazenhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-18847 Zeelazen Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:28:31 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-18847 hi - first off great blog / website. :) My problem: I'm getting pushed a tad by guildies to swap all of my Ag gems to ArmPen or go Survival. We have a talented young guy (Linkhunter / Bloodhoof) that swears it's better for me even tho my gear has me at a ArmPen GEAR rating of 540 / 38.58%. His testing (originally on the Grand Master dummy) was only marginally better (400-500 dps) then what I was putting out, once I pointed out the Heroic dummy and got him to switch, I really wasn't too much more impressed, I mean maybe a jump of say 800-1000k dps would be worth regemming at a cost of 1200g+ on my server. (He didn't pop Rapid Fire / Readiness from what I could tell) As I am currently geared / gemmed: I can sustain 10-12k (Rapid Fire / Readiness) in most fights if I am positioned correctly or stutter step, on fights were I am forced out of my comfort zone - I still manage 8500-9k dps and usually stay between the 1 and 2 spot in 10man and never drop lower the 6th / 7th in a 25man if I am getting beat up pretty bad. I've really invested a lot of time and energy in maximizing the gear I have, sure I'd love to have BiS or all 264 stuff but I typically get outbid in GDKP's so I'm hovering at 5.8gs. So what do you recommend? These guys seem to think they have to all figured out and pretty much scoff at you guys, Elitest Jerks and what the WoW Hunter forums say on this subject. Apparently Linkhunter is the best on our server (Bloodhoof) and swears that if I go all ArmPen gems or just switch to Survival I would see a big increase. Again, no offense to my guildies - they are all pretty awesome, it's just what they say and what the world (internet) says are completely 180 of each other. Thanks much! hi – first off great blog / website. :)

My problem:

I’m getting pushed a tad by guildies to swap all of my Ag gems to ArmPen or go Survival.

We have a talented young guy (Linkhunter / Bloodhoof) that swears it’s better for me even tho my gear has me at a ArmPen GEAR rating of 540 / 38.58%. His testing (originally on the Grand Master dummy) was only marginally better (400-500 dps) then what I was putting out, once I pointed out the Heroic dummy and got him to switch, I really wasn’t too much more impressed, I mean maybe a jump of say 800-1000k dps would be worth regemming at a cost of 1200g+ on my server. (He didn’t pop Rapid Fire / Readiness from what I could tell)

As I am currently geared / gemmed:

I can sustain 10-12k (Rapid Fire / Readiness) in most fights if I am positioned correctly or stutter step, on fights were I am forced out of my comfort zone – I still manage 8500-9k dps and usually stay between the 1 and 2 spot in 10man and never drop lower the 6th / 7th in a 25man if I am getting beat up pretty bad.

I’ve really invested a lot of time and energy in maximizing the gear I have, sure I’d love to have BiS or all 264 stuff but I typically get outbid in GDKP’s so I’m hovering at 5.8gs.

So what do you recommend? These guys seem to think they have to all figured out and pretty much scoff at you guys, Elitest Jerks and what the WoW Hunter forums say on this subject. Apparently Linkhunter is the best on our server (Bloodhoof) and swears that if I go all ArmPen gems or just switch to Survival I would see a big increase.

Again, no offense to my guildies – they are all pretty awesome, it’s just what they say and what the world (internet) says are completely 180 of each other.

Thanks much!

]]> By: Aztechttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-18794 Aztec Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:44:05 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-18794 Hmm, so... for BM hunter isnt better trinket with ArP (Grimm Toll) but AP (Mirror of Truth), because BM used often Arcane shot.... Hmm, so… for BM hunter isnt better trinket with ArP (Grimm Toll) but AP (Mirror of Truth), because BM used often Arcane shot….

]]> By: ambev - frostmanehttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-18714 ambev - frostmane Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:50:31 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-18714 @buxir You are slightly short of the recommended 800 passive ArP to switch, plus the fact that you say you have trouble on movement intensive fights, I would stick to agility. @dragones you should just buy the peices you need for 100% ArP and test the difference, but off the top of my head I'd say its so minor you will hardly notice. http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/03/how-to-measure-dps/ @buxir
You are slightly short of the recommended 800 passive ArP to switch, plus the fact that you say you have trouble on movement intensive fights, I would stick to agility.

@dragones
you should just buy the peices you need for 100% ArP and test the difference, but off the top of my head I’d say its so minor you will hardly notice.
http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/03/how-to-measure-dps/

]]> By: ambev - frostmanehttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-18712 ambev - frostmane Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:36:42 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-18712 you should get another 122 armor pen and achieve hard cap of 1400. you should get another 122 armor pen and achieve hard cap of 1400.

]]> By: pheonixhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-18371 pheonix Sat, 11 Sep 2010 13:40:31 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-18371 I am currently at 1278 armor pen...should i switch out some gems and go for agility or stay armor pen? thanks I am currently at 1278 armor pen…should i switch out some gems and go for agility or stay armor pen? thanks

]]> By: Dragoneshttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-17210 Dragones Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:05:19 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-17210 Hay Guys Id like some help please. I currently have a hunter with 96% arp reduction with the 4 set bonus. If i use the Two set bonus with other gear namly vendour 264 gear from frost emblems i get 100% arp reduction. What id like to know is would it be worth sacrificing the second bonus from my tier for 100% arp or stay at the 96% with the bonus All the arp is passive without any trinket procs Thanx :) Hay Guys
Id like some help please.
I currently have a hunter with 96% arp reduction with the 4 set bonus.
If i use the Two set bonus with other gear namly vendour 264 gear from frost emblems i get 100% arp reduction.

What id like to know is would it be worth sacrificing the second bonus from my tier for 100% arp or stay at the 96% with the bonus
All the arp is passive without any trinket procs

Thanx :)

]]> By: Deiolhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-17164 Deiol Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:26:46 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-17164 So many people don't properly read the article, Frostheim hasn't said ArP sucks, he's stated with facts that Agi is better to gem *Unless* you have a certain amount of passive ArP from your gear, i tried a little testing on my own hunter, tested SV spec with Agi gems, MM with Agi and MM with ArP, MM with ArP was fairly less than with Agi however another hunter in my guild who has more ArP than me had increased dps with ArP gems, from results i got Frostheim is completely right, read first before you start moaning about something.. Btw Frostheim, keep up the good work! :D So many people don’t properly read the article, Frostheim hasn’t said ArP sucks, he’s stated with facts that Agi is better to gem *Unless* you have a certain amount of passive ArP from your gear, i tried a little testing on my own hunter, tested SV spec with Agi gems, MM with Agi and MM with ArP, MM with ArP was fairly less than with Agi however another hunter in my guild who has more ArP than me had increased dps with ArP gems, from results i got Frostheim is completely right, read first before you start moaning about something..

Btw Frostheim, keep up the good work! :D

]]> By: Kornholioqhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-17158 Kornholioq Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:24:27 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-17158 fools, bunch of huntards.. fools, bunch of huntards..

]]> By: Alanhttp://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/07/hunter-armor-pen-vs-agility/#comment-16929 Alan Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:06:32 +0000 http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/?p=2318#comment-16929 I have a SV hunter and his pretty geared with a 5878 gs. So is it better stack agility or armor pen now and should i keep my agility enchants on put some other ones on???? I have a SV hunter and his pretty geared with a 5878 gs. So is it better stack agility or armor pen now and should i keep my agility enchants on put some other ones on????

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