A lot of people are annoyed with Death Knights, for a variety of reasons. The list of complaints looks something like this:
- DKs have broken dps. No hybrid should top every damage meter!
- DKs have broken aoe.
- DK’s are broken tanks. No one tank class should so clearly be the best always.
- DKS are broken PVP gods who combine the best of every class, without any of their weaknesses.
- DKs are too easy to play, they just faceroll
It is certain that Blizz launched DKs overpowered, as they are wont to do, and then they steadily nerfed them a little bit here, and a little bit there. Sure, sometimes Blizz thought they were nerfing them and accidentally buffed them, but hey, that can happen (to other classes).
I’d like to invite you all to set aside all that hatred for the Death Knights and join me in celebrating what is great about them, the reason that I love them all so much:
Death Knights took the tarded players.
I’m serious. There is no easier class to play than the Death Knight. Have any of you seen the angry german kid video, where he’s screaming and slamming his keyboard around? That kid’s playing a Death Knight (and he won that BG too).
Here’s the thing though: before the DKs came out, that kid was playing a hunter.
Now it used to be that no class was easier to solo than the hunter. Sure, we argued until we were blue in the face that it was hard to play a hunter well. But that didn’t matter, it was easy to play a hunter well enough to roll through PVE leveling content. And easier than any other class. It’s the same with Death Knights now.
The unwashed masses of Tarded will not top the damage meters with their death knights. They require skill to play well, just like any other class.
But the Death Knights soloing, they require no skill, social or mental, to play well enough to get by. I mean, the tarded could mistake WoW for DDR and dance on their keyboard and roll through any leveling or dungeon content with nary a wipe.
Now add on top of that that Blizz had make hunters increasingly difficult to play (mostly by making the easy BM build not worthwhile), the fact that it’s easy to switch to a DK, and they have a cool “evil” image, and BAM!
All of the sudden, no more huntards. Just pleasant discussion of our class. Ceaseless pursuit of excellent. Sophisticated elf mockery. Heck, it’s almost enough to make me feel bad for the DKs. As a hunter, I know only too well the calibur of player that now infects their class. Yeah, almost.
But mostly, I just love them to death for taking the tarded away from us, and onto them.
Heh. Deathtards.
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I don’t get much exposure to other people’s opinions about these things (other than general chat), but I have to say that I really found DKs to be hopelessly boring because of my ability to 1) know next to nothing about the mechanics, 2) hit keys indiscriminately and 3) still roll through the leveling content without effort. You make an interesting point about them collecting all the morons. Never thought of that.
I just started my first serious hunter, and decided to go BM for the lower leveling. While I understand it has limitations, isn’t it still good for staying alive and mowing down the mobs while grinding? I’ve been leveling pretty fast and enjoying it. While I know the <70 leveling is generally not of much interest to many, I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on it.
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Without question BM is fantastic for leveling! In fact, it’s the ideal spec for leveling. It’s also fun for extreme soloing and pet tanking instances. It’s just currently too far behind the curve for dpsing raids.
As a player who has played most classes, my mains being a Gnome Mage and Dwarf Hunter. I decided to give the new “Class” a go. DK’s are fun but yeah they are cake to level. Very few good DK’s actually make it into endgame. My guild has 10 80 DK’s but those players still bring in their mains of other classes into the raids. I agree with Frost the decrease of Huntardness is refreshing and very few hunters that actually remain are very good hunters. Yes hunters are easy to level but endgame wise they are hard to play. Hail to the hunter
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Its funny, I had this conversation with a few guys after a Sarth Pug, but it was about Warlocks. Alot of the “Its cool to be evil!” alliance warlock types rerolled DK’s it seemed. We surmised that perhaps lame players thought it was cooler to be a OP epic Hero class than it is to just be a vanilla “Its cool to be evil!” warlock. The question in my mind is… “Do lame people play a class because they think it makes them cool?”
It’s funny that these tards of all classes that switched to DK are still tards…when wotlk came out there was huge switch to DK’s…so huge that my guild lost some valuable classes of need…but I tell yea, I never liked the DK as a tank..I very seldom found a DK that could tank well…now I know, they were a new class and its a bit harsh to expect them to be great tanks after only being around for a couple months, but I really thought they sucked…almost all the DK’s in my guild are dps now, and thank god they are dwindling in my guild as well…they are great for bringing down the sparks in EOE though.
was BM really that easy?…I lvl’d my hunter 1-80 as MM and then went BM for a few months to try it out and then switched to SV for raiding…I’m now back to MM to see how well I can do in raids and to give ppl the TA buff…anyways, I’m just saying that MM isn’t really hard to lvl with either…I would never recommend lvl’n in SV though.
Tsailencer
Antiquus Morte Ortus, Silvermoon
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“My first wife was ‘tarded. She’s a pilot now.”
Great post, Frost…DKs have certainly helped abate my self-hating Hunter tendancies, and I feel like we have seen a MARKED decrease in having to defend ourselves. When some of the highest progression guilds on my server are recruiting *more* hunters to pad out their Ulduar 25s, we must be doing something right!
The tide has shifted! Huzzah!
I will admit that they pulled a few of the mages too, though to be fair, there werent really many of the mages in the “huntard” mentality.
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Frost, Frost. You’re missing the point. It’s not that DK’s are actually hate-able. We just need a class to loathe and complain about. It’s a universal need. My guild complains about Hunters, for instance, because I’m their hunter and top meters so they think the class is broken.
If I were being honest, I’d maybe complain about Pallys getting over-buffed. But I run with too many good ones, and reap their sweet mana and buff rewards, so I can’t bring myself to hate them.
So yeah, Huntards are a dying (or dead) breed, which is good. But I need to feel like something or someone needs nerfed at all times, just so I can continue to lobby for more and more hunter buffs.
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A lot of the good hunters I know were playing the hunter since before hunters became ‘good’. I think that taste of what it was like to play a terrible class made those hunters become gods when the class was fixed up in 1.7. Of course, in 1.7, everyone and their mother were rolling hunters (used to be rogues, they all switched to hunter
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But, yeah now it’s the frickin’ DK. The DK mains in our guild are all really good players, and even though I love ‘em, they still drive me batty with their ridiculously ‘balanced’ class. While I wish that I had some of that balance thrown my way, I’m a dwarf and that means I’m hard headed about changing what I’m playing so I just shrug and do what I can. My DK is still level 55 rotting in Ebon Hold without having left the place and I doubt I will ever have time to get to him, I have a hunter to level
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deathtards, palatards, shamatards, zomg theyre everywhere!
DK are particularly tardful though. i have ran with a handful as tanks that done wonderfully, and know some that do killer dps so i cant complain as far as “make boss dead” is concerned. im not so much concerned about topping meters as i am topping my potential and best. ive been behind rogues and feral druids long enough to get used to #5 lol
if there is a tard migration to the DK (and i dont doubt it one bit) i wish we could remove this scarlet letter from hunters. i still get that “oh no, its a huntard, hold on to your loots” from time to time. for the life of me, i cannot figure out why blizz designed a class that shared weapon pools with so many other classes without making weapons that arent ambiguous. put intellect on some polearms or something, im tired of the fighting, and as long as melee classes think were stealing their loot, the huntard name will ever live.
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I love my DK not as much as my Rogue but still. Alot people do seem to think DKs can’t tank I think I tank very well on mine and I think alot of the Deathtardness is mainly due to the moron factor in people switching over to them there is plenty of good DK tanks but when 9 out of 10 of people playing the class tend to be morons or Huntard rejects then of course its going to look bad on the people who actually put thought and effort into learning a new class whos mechanics compare to no current ones, Bottom line to me is yeah DKs maybe broken but when you hype something as a Hero class you expect it not to suck they just took it a bit further they will find a balance personaly I’d rather see all classes brought up to DK level then DKs nerfed so give the Deathtards a chance in groups not all of us are goldfarming 10 year olds some are just people like me who have played every class and needed something new and for the hunters here at least the DK wears plate and isn’t stealing all of your gear Rogue on the other hand DKs ended up on my damn set loot tokens!…..afk
Hunters should be high dps just for the fact we have to buy ammo to dps …and for those of us that want the best ammo, we have to go farm saronite and cobalt to make our dps ammo…I can’t think of one other class that needs to farm for there dps….doh! sry…bitch over..lol
Tsailencer
Antiquus Morte Ortus, Silvermoon
I have never thought of this before but it makes perfect sense. I can only hope that you’re message is spread across all or WoW and that we’ll finally get the respect us hunters deserve. It hurts my eyes pugging a raid of 10 or 25 man and seeing all those hunters so low on the dps charts, and some DK 9yearold being in 4th. I have noticed that they are easy to get a good amount of dps with, but it’s the DK’s with skill that surpass the original classes.
I never considered DK’s to be a part of us real classes (out of spite really) until a buddy in our guild could mind freeze KT heh. But now whenever he calls me a huntard, not only can I make fun of him for ‘not playing a real class’, I can call him a Deathtard. Thank you frost.. thank you.
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Here Here!
Good comments bye all i just hate there death grip in P vs P to rip you off your horse and bash on you just seems to much of advantage but im glad there getting the bad rep and not us. I am now starting to get a really good name for myself on Grizzly Hills server and im getting alot of invites these days due to the fact i am a hunter and can make good DPS at range and not get in the way of the melee classes. Its great tosee another class get the bad rep !!!!
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Eh, I wouldn’t say BM is easier to play than the other specs, it just takes different kind of skill.
BM = Pet management, if your pet dies, even once, you just lost a good chunk of DPS. Also have to pay attention for good times for melee DPS to hit your Bestial Wrath.
SV = Proc / Cooldown management. SV’s cooldowns are a mix match of random numbers(6, 24, 15/21, and 10). Being able to hit them in the right order and the right time is key to SV. Then watching for LnL procs to change up your normal rotation.
MM = umm, being able to hit shots? MM only has 3 cooldowns to watch and with a weak pet, I would consider MM to be the easiest spec.
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I don’t play a DK, well if gettin one to 58 is playin it then d’oh… in defense of this class though, when played well, they sure can help a hell of a lot in an instance… We have a pala tank in the guild that has leveld up a DK tank and honestly he rocks the house as a tank on our runs… He is a good player so that makes the difference but hell when you see people play their class in style, any class seems tempting to play.
Apart from that, I am eternally greatful for having the DK class pull out the huntard, then again so did the retri pala…
Being a DK switcher some might think i object to the statements above. Well I do, I object that when I’m reduced to pugging the WG raid instance I have to put up with the packs of deathtards wearing L72 quest greens doing mid ranged dps, and sprouting the sort of comments that leave you knowing that behind that character sits a barely toilet trained monkey. I laughed at the joke the average hunter became during the diremaul teleport hack hunter farming days, when sees of wow’s very own brand of pokemon trainers swarmed the starting areas. I came into making a DK at wotlk release knowing full well that despite blizz’s statements DKs would be strong for the power gamer in me, to abuse a new set of play mechanics in a way they weren’t designed. I expected there to be a huge population of them initially. I didn’t quite bank on the masses that’d stick with it due to the overly easy time levelling them was. But… the nerfs have been coming in dribs and drabs, and the relative power is much lower than it was, I’d go as far to say they’re very nearly inline now in pve (I don’t give pvp any attention unless pvp nerfs affect my pve). And as much as i get attention in my own little corner for soloing oldworld bosses, my first big solo kill was onyxia at 70 with a prot paladin. (mage was main back then, but i think the pally ended up better geared before wotlk came around) I expect I could be doing all that I’ve done on my DK with a prot paladin too (in fact, i suspect I could have solo’d kara as a pally, where Curator’s disese immunity makes him a much more difficult kill as a DK)
I think people are missing an important point here. The main reason DKs are so damn popular is the 55 free levels.
I’m levelling mine now and looking forward to raiding with it, but if I could pick any class to start at level 55 it sure as hell wouldn’t be DK. But… I have absolutely no desire to churn out 55 boring levels all by myself for the Nth time. They may have sped up levelling somewhat, but 1-55 which DKs skip still takes quite a long time and it’s painfully boring. I have tried, I have multiple alts on 2 accounts but I hit the wall around level 24, staring up at 35ish more levels just to get to Outlands.
Blizz needs to implement level 55 toons of any class, even if it’s a paid service (and I’m quite sure it would be).
Zyrinx – I think you make good point…a lot of ppl just chose DK so they didn’t have to lvl from 1-80 again…I’d love it if Blizz incorporated that into the game for every class…say, for every lvl 80 you have you can create a lvl 55 class of your choice.
I have to say that pre-woltk tanks that rolled a DK did become really good DK tanks…I think it has to do with the fact that by playing a tank prior to DK they knew what a tank had to do…it was the pre-woltk non tank players that when rolling a DK weren’t tanking well and gave the DK’s a bad name..
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Stone! I miss your mage browbeating me about Neven’s gear selection… good times, good times…
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Blizz threw us a bone with the Heirloom Shoulders, which drastically reduces the time to lvl an alt. I doubt we’ll ever see ALL classes starting at 55 though.
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It seems I came back from shamanland just in time then. Part of the reason I stopped playing my hunter in BC was because of the ‘huntard’ stigma attached to them. Too many (hunters, not tards) in my guild meant little space for me to get in. My response? Levelling a shaman to 70 to heal stuff and to raid. Now that dks are around, it seems that hunters have been given some of the overdue respect that they deserve. Glad to be back
. great site too. It’s given me a lot of insight to get back into the class. Now to decide on a build/spec…
Indeed, and it is on BG’s better as well. Many teenage kids that roled Rogue first, now play DK. Stops the useless ganking at BG’s a bit. The amount of Rogues in general went down a lot since DK’s.
Don’t get me wrong, playing a Rogue well, requires serious effort and having one in you team is a great asset, but just as we had too many huntards, too many teenagers roled Rogue and screwed up BG’s by just ganking.